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Hello everyone.
I am considering buying any of the following mouthpieces:
Schilke 51C4.51
Yamaha 52
Ian Bousfield S4.
I would like to know opinion of people who have tried them, differences, sensations.

Thanks and best regards

since you're looking, add a Wedge 5GS to the list 

Those are some pretty different mouthpieces!

5 and 4 sized rims are pretty different.

I'm not sure I have ever seen a Yamaha 52 in the wild.

The Schilke 51 is a good bet, though.

Have you tried just a bach 4g or 5g? I cannot even count the number of players i know who have spent time and dollars on hoards of other mouthpieces and ended up back on a bach....

Victor, we need to have a couple of answers to help you:

1.  What mouthpiece are you playing now, and on what kind of trombone?
2.  What isn't working with your current mouthpiece?

A Schilke 51 (any depth) or a Bach 5G is a good middle-of-the-road mouthpiece that will not be terribly expensive.  To make a better recommendation we would have to see you play.  Your teacher (you have one, don't you?) would be the best to do this evaluation.

Hi, thanks for your answers. Actually my trombon is a bach 42 and the piezaboca a jk exclusive 5AL. It is a comfortable piece. Its 26mm of diameter I like but it is too deep and it gives a very dark collision to trombon.

You could look at the Bousfield or a Peter Sullivan for signature mouthpieces.  A Schilke 51 (no letter) might be a good choice.

Also look at a Denis Wick 5BL which has a flatter rim (you may like it or not -- I like them).

Note that these are a little smaller than 26 mm.

You might want to look at a Schilke 52, Bach 4G, or Wick 4BL which is a little bigger and closer to what Klier says their #5 rim is.

Not surprising that you find the Josef Klier 5A too deep - the "A" cup is Klier's deepest, and also has a large bore diameter (7.20mm).  Most of us play on a mouthpiece with a shallower cup (and often a smaller bore).  

The Schilke 51 might be a good bet for you and your Bach 42.  Its cup I.D is 25.83mm, with a "standard" "C" depth, and a 7.04mm bore.  The Schilke 51C4 is similar diameter, with a slightly shallower cup and a flatter rim.  

Or you could stay with Bach - 5G (25.50mm cup, 7.00mm bore) or 4G (25.75mm cup, 7.00mm bore).  Bach 5G is a very popular size mouthpiece for a Bach 42 trombone.  

Quote from: BGuttman on Mar 16, 2017, 04:08PMYou could look at the Bousfield or a Peter Sullivan for signature mouthpieces.  A Schilke 51 (no letter) might be a good choice.

Also look at a Denis Wick 5BL which has a flatter rim (you may like it or not -- I like them).

Note that these are a little smaller than 26 mm.

You might want to look at a Schilke 52, Bach 4G, or Wick 4BL which is a little bigger and closer to what Klier says their #5 rim is.


Denis designed the 4BL when he switched to a Bach 42 !

With regards to the JK 5AL.....do they not do a B cup?

Problem solved if they do perhaps.

Ross

Quote from: Roscotrombone on Mar 17, 2017, 06:27AMWith regards to the JK 5AL.....do they not do a B cup?

Problem solved if they do perhaps.

Ross

There are actually B, C, D, E, and (I think) F cups.  Getting shallower as you go up in letter size.  I would suspect an A cup is more for a Euphonium where there is more resistance in the horn and a C might be a good general purpose trombone cup.

Hi
The problem with the B cups in jk is that the throat is 6.80mm. The trombone sounds small.
Mugs A 7.20mm.Tazas B 6,80mm.
There is no intermediate measurement of 7.00mm
Thank you

There are probably a few more factors than simply aperture size that affect how "large" the trombone sounds.

Note that Bach G mouthpieces (4G, 5G) are made with a G drill, which is 6.63 mm.

There is a "bored out" model, 4GM, 5GM that has a larger aperture of 7.13 mm.

Sometimes the shape of the transition into the throat can affect this.  There is no common measurement for this feature; you will have to try a few brands to find if any is better (or not).  Sometimes manufacturing tolerances can make this area a little different from piece to piece from the same maker.

Another factor is the backbore.  A larger backbore can make the mouthpiece play like your JK 5AL while a tighter backbore can require less air.  I forgot to check whether there are backbore variants when I visited the JK site.  I know that on my bass trombone, my DE mouthpiece with his 9 backbore is an air hog and tends to play quite flat.  I have a 7 backbore and it's much better (even the 8 backbore was a bit flat).

Have a Skype lesson with Doug Elliott  best money you will spend and he will give best options across mouthpieces that will be most efficient for you!

I have a 51C4 for sale. Gold-plated rim. Nice.

Quote from: BGuttman on Mar 17, 2017, 10:09AM
Note that Bach G mouthpieces (4G, 5G) are made with a G drill, which is 6.63 mm.


Not true Bruce - at least not now, if it ever was so.  The current Bach catalog lists the same throat diameter for all these mouthpieces: 1¼G, 1½G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, and 6½A - as 0.276" (7.01mm).  I have a sample of each of these (except the 1¼G), and ALL their throats easily (but tightly) accommodate a "J" drill (0.277" = 7.04mm).  So Bach's specifications are essentially correct - all throats are larger than 6.63mm (which is the throat size of the ever-popular "Teutonic-sounding" 6½AL mouthpiece). 

I don't think Bach's "G" designation has anything to do with mouthpiece throat diameter. 

of the 3 you mentioned, the Schilke 51c4 played very bright for me and I didn't care for the rim much. a Schilke 51 is an option, but I honestly think they are too deep - at least for me. I have a yamaha 52 that I don't use anymore - comfortable rim, not too deep. I just don't really like the sound I get from it - very steady and boring IMO. bach 5g might be too small for you due to the piece you have been playing on. I've been using a Greg black NY 5.5 for about 3 months and like it a lot - better than anything else I've tried. I am going to get a used 4.5g/5g to compare with it though. I also occasionally use a Doug Elliott Lt 102 G G8 for jazz/big band as the GB piece delivers a more orchestral sound for me. Rim size between the two feels very similar.   

Hello
Well. I have decided to try the Ian Bousfiel S4.
Has anyone tried it ?.
Thank you

I have one. If you want a brighter sound and a comfortable rim, it is a good choice.

Hello Ellrod.
Well if you would be interested.If you say price with shipping to Spain included?
Thank you

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