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Anyone have experience with these horns? I believe they are made in Germany. Supposedly high quality instruments, but I've never played one.

I don't know them and am curious, too.

Never heard of them, but if you want to find them on the internet, try searching for Hölle (or Hoelle) instead of Holle. They have a website: hoelle-posaunen.de which is only available in german..
Surprisingly for me: the workshop seems to be within 100km range of where i live, so i might check it out in the distant future if i might be in search of a new trombone. I like the name very much, "Hölle" in german means "hell", as in purgatory etc.. Nice name for trombones if you ask me.

They seem to produce mainly by hand, but including CNC machinery in their workshop and they advertise a rotary valve they have designed, though without specifics of what is different with it. They also seem to produce a lot of tuning slides as aftermarket products for different brands.
Noah Gladstone's Brass Ark is linked as a vendor for the brand though, so maybe he could give you some first hand information.

I hope i could help! If you want specific translations of their website, i'll be glad to help.

Greetings,
shider

It is quite impressive how many small trombone makers are in Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Here is a little liste (incomplete and not up to date, but still...)

Kromat
http://www.hans-kromat.de/
Lätsch
http://www.laetzsch-brass.de
Thein
http://www.thein-brass.de
Dotzauer
http://www.musik-dotzauer.de
Gopp
http://www.josefgopp.de
Hölle
http://www.hoelle-trombones.com
Miraphon
http://www.miraphone.de
Worischek
http://www.worischek.de
Anton
http://www.meister-anton.de
Finke
http://www.finkehorns.de
Schmelzer
http://www.schmelzertrombone.de
B&S Kollektiv
http://www.ja-musik.com
Jahn - B
http://www.der-blechblaeser.de
Kruspe
http://www.edkruspe.de
Kühnl&Hoyer
http://www.kuehnl-hoyer.de
Hermann Schmidt
http://www.hsm-brass.de/
H. Voigt
http://www.helmut-voigt.de
J.Voigt
http://www.voigt-brass.com
Schagerl - AU
http://www.schagerl.at
Lechner - AU
http://www.musik-lechner.com/
Haagstone - AU
http://www.haagston.at/
Haag - CH
http://www.musikhaag.ch
Willson - CH
http://www.swissprofi.ch/willson
Egger - CH
http://www.eggerinstruments.ch
Inderbinen -CH
http://www.inderbinen.com


If you like trombones, and have some money to spend, I suggest taking a vacation in Germany

If you visit Inderbinen, take a LOT of money. I teased one TTF member about his Inderbinen. He loved the horn, but had to give it up because it was heavy.

Some of those shops don't make "American" style trombones; only German style. There is a difference. German style trombones tend to have small dual bore slides with large bells. It means you may have a problem blending with a section of non-German trombones if you show up with one.

BGuttman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:14 am If you visit Inderbinen, take a LOT of money. I teased one TTF member about his Inderbinen. He loved the horn, but had to give it up because it was heavy.

How childish ........

BGuttman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:14 am If you visit Inderbinen, take a LOT of money. I teased one TTF member about his Inderbinen. He loved the horn, but had to give it up because it was heavy.

Some of those shops don't make "American" style trombones; only German style. There is a difference. German style trombones tend to have small dual bore slides with large bells. It means you may have a problem blending with a section of non-German trombones if you show up with one.

Most German makers also make american trombones now. German style trombones are rarely used even in Germany. Yes there are still some orchestras using exclusively German style trombones, but they are far in the minority. And I actually don't know a single trombonist using exclusively a German style trombone.

I always thought you could make a German style trombone by putting your duobore jazz slide on your bass bone with ducktape.

shider wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:20 am
They seem to produce mainly by hand, but including CNC machinery in their workshop and they advertise a rotary valve they have designed, though without specifics of what is different with it. They also seem to produce a lot of tuning slides as aftermarket products for different brands.

Their valve is a traditional rotor, the main difference I think is that more of it is handmade (or so they say). Design-wise, they use longer valve "ears" with usually slower bends and better approach angles to minimize tight bends going into the valve.

Their aftermarket tuning slides seem interesting. IIRC they are one piece bows instead of having the legs be two separate tubes. They are made of rolled sheet brass rather than preformed industrial brass tubes.