German guy here
Please let me provide some insight to my native language:
paulyg wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 12:31 pm
Gives a whole new meaning to Monke-ing around...
The "e" at the end of Monke, or Porsche (Porsche originates from a town only about 100km away from where i live) is not pronounced like the "e" in the word "monkey".
hornbuilder wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:24 pm
I have to be picky and correct your pronunciation. You must say the "e" on the end of the name, as "er" (with a very short "r" sound) Just like Porsche is not "Porsh", Monke is not Monk.
And i don't see where there would be an "r"-sound (even very short). In german these words end with a vowel.
It's actually really hard to find an american equivalent because.. well, it's a different language and we use different sounds
for example we have letters like "ä", "ö", "ü" to express special sounds and therefore don't need to assign these sounds to other letters in our alphabet.. But i'm getting off topic
I'll
try to give a few examples:
-It's like the e-part in "Sydney" before the "y"-sound starts (at least in my way to pronounce it there is an "e" in there
-it's like the "e" at the beginning of "encompassing" or "enrichment"
-like the "e" at the beginnings of "energy" or "elevator", but less nasally sounding
The longer i sat in front of this post the more i realised, that there might simply be no real equivalent to pronounce it like a german would by giving you examples of english words
If you want so hear german pronounciation of the correct "e" for the ends of these words i would advise you to go to leo.org, type in "Energie" and let it read it out to you in german. The first written "e" would be the one to focus on.
(the second one is inaudible and builds a composite sound with the "i" like in englisch)
So... a lot of words for a simple message: i can't fool an american my native language is english.. You probably won't be able to do the same to a german. And i don't feel there should be any shame in that
Burgerbob wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:46 pm
Anyone else ever see any Monke trombones? Any contras? I know they have made trumpets for a long time but I can't find any mention of their low brass.
And to directly respond to your question:
In germany their trumpets (and flugelhorns with rotors) pop up regulary on eBay and other sites, but only once in a while one will see something different than high brass instruments. I have seen Tenorhorns (the continental european ones with oval shape) and a few straight tenor trombones, even some with an F Valve. But i've never come across anything other than that.
After a quick look around the german web i discovered, that the company "Josef Monke" is still in operation! But nowadays they only sell trumpets with rotary valves. And there seems the company/shop has changed owners in 1997 where ownership changed from Josef Monkes Daughter to an instrument builder who was employed there before and who chose to keep the name and is running the shop to this day.
Also there is mention of Wilhelm Monke, the son of Josef Monke who stamped his name on a few instruments but is seen as a bit of a strange guy. He learned the craft from his father, but left the shop to open up his own. There he outsourced instrument manufacturing (basically an early form of the stencil horns today) and stamped them with his own name. But seemingly he also built some by himself as he knew the craft. Some people still play trumpets from Wilhelm and praise them as the best they ever played, some say the are crap
according to the split practice of stamping others horns and building his own this at least makes some sense
But Josef Monke is still regarded a top notch manufacturer and the vintage instruments are held in high regards!
Edit: he also must have produced anything from high brass down to the tuba, but that days seem long gone and i guess the new owners after Josefs death (in 1965) didn't continue that.
From seeing your YouTube content i thought you might appreciate this information on the company!
And congratulations on the Kontrabassposaune!
may I ask how much you paid?