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Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:54 am
by Talpo64
Hi
Rn I'm using a Hetman number 11 rotor oil for my valve and because they no longer exist I need to find an alternative.
Any recommended brands?
Thanks.
P.S. Do they also have a valve links lubricant?
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:11 am
by Burgerbob
Ultra Pure
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:22 pm
by hornbuilder
Plus 1 for Ultra Pure
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:20 pm
by HornboneandVocals
I use monster oil purely for the Amazon prime convenience, works as good as any others in my experience. They’ve got different weights: Light, heavy, and linkage.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:35 pm
by Gfunk
Also +1 ultra pure. It’s what I transitioned to from Hetmans
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:34 am
by vetsurginc
Ultra Pure.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:53 pm
by pfrancis
If looking for a like for like J. Meinlschmidt offers an almost identical product lineup. Available to techs through Allied Supply and for sale elsewhere as well. Not quite as extensive a lineup but comprehensive none the less.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:18 pm
by piezer
Related question: When switching to the new oil do I need to completely clean the valves or can I use the new oil on top the old?
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:51 pm
by NorthWoodsEngineer
piezer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:18 pm
Related question: When switching to the new oil do I need to completely clean the valves or can I use the new oil on top the old?
It's probably a good idea - you don't need to go crazy, but taking it apart and wiping it all down with some water and a rag would be fine.
I'm running low on my Hetman #11 myself. To those recommending the Ultra Pure, there seem to be a couple options. Any opinions on which you prefer? And why?
On a related note, I have J. Meinlschmidt linkage oil and their tuning slide gel #7 and I absolutely love it! It seals incredibly and is very long lasting. I noticed a big sealing difference in my horn after switching. Tempted to try out their rotor oil once the time comes.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:14 am
by baBposaune
J. Meinlschmidt reverse engineered the Hetman products and they are identical. I switched to "JM" lubricants and I'm very happy with the results, just like I was with the Hetman.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:30 am
by harrisonreed
NorthWoodsEngineer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:51 pm
piezer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:18 pm
Related question: When switching to the new oil do I need to completely clean the valves or can I use the new oil on top the old?
It's probably a good idea - you don't need to go crazy, but taking it apart and wiping it all down with some water and a rag would be fine.
I'm running low on my Hetman #11 myself. To those recommending the Ultra Pure, there seem to be a couple options. Any opinions on which you prefer? And why?
On a related note, I have J. Meinlschmidt linkage oil and their tuning slide gel #7 and I absolutely love it! It seals incredibly and is very long lasting. I noticed a big sealing difference in my horn after switching. Tempted to try out their rotor oil once the time comes.
I have UP regular and light, and the bearing oil.
FWIW, Hetman's would eventually become a thick yellow crud, but UP does not seem to do that.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:49 pm
by Posaunus
FWIW, Hetman's would eventually become a thick yellow crud, but UP does not seem to do that.
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Harry,
Which Hetman's oil becomes thick & yellow? (Valve, rotor, linkage, ... ?) I haven't been this happen (yet).
When (if) I do need new oil (Ultra Pure, J Meinlschmidt, ... ?) what is the best place to purchase?
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:59 pm
by bitbckt
Ultra Pure sells direct to consumer on their website. Unless you’re in a hurry, buying from them seems best to me.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:08 pm
by harrisonreed
Posaunus wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:49 pm
FWIW, Hetman's would eventually become a thick yellow crud, but UP does not seem to do that.
Harry,
Which Hetman's oil becomes thick & yellow? (Valve, rotor, linkage, ... ?) I haven't been this happen (yet).
When (if) I do need new oil (Ultra Pure, J Meinlschmidt, ... ?) what is the best place to purchase?
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11 and 13, combined with the slide grease from Hetman. This happened after my tubes were about 1/3 full, so the oil was old at that point. But I'd expect it to never do that.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:05 pm
by Blabberbucket
As baBposaunen said Meinlschmidt oils are, to the best of my understanding, direct duplicates of the Hetman products.
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:40 pm
by LordeBedoo
I can't think of the guys name who sells it, but I use Custom Brass oils. It's the stuff that Shires uses in their shop for testing if I remember right. I do recommend it, especially for Shires/Eastman stuff which is what I have. It's also a little difficult to find as you have to talk to the guy that makes it to place an order. I got mine because someone in my studio made a mass-order that everyone chipped in to. If you're interested, I'll find the guy and get you his name!
Edit: he makes both a rotor oil and a bearing/linkage oil :^).
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:16 am
by Johnstad
Ultra Pure Light (green tip).
Re: Hetman Alternatives
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:20 am
by spencercarran
piezer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:18 pm
Related question: When switching to the new oil do I need to completely clean the valves or can I use the new oil on top the old?
When switching from Hetman to Ultra Pure, that's not strictly necessary since they're both pretty chemically similar synthetics. If you were switching to/from conventional petroleum based lubricants there would be more need to ensure a clean base.
Cleaning your horn every once in a while is a good idea anyways though, so using the brand switch as an excuse to get around to that wouldn't be bad.