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Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:31 pm
by iranzi
Hi everyone! I'm wondering if anyone on here has any experience with non-western lower brass instruments. Would really love to hear stories, sounds, to see photos!


(the image below is of an Nepali bass karnal horn, for illustration purposes)

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:39 pm
by iranzi
kakaki used in muslim areas around southern Sahara:

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:46 am
by sf105
No photo, but we should include the Dijeridoo

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:41 am
by BGuttman
There are a number of instruments that work like brass. Brass instruments are also called "lip reed" instruments and include the shofar, conch shell. cornett (also called "zink"), serpent. and Russian Bassoon.

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:30 am
by UATrombone
Below is photo of Trembita (it is Ukrainian "lip-reed" instrument, like Alpine horn).
Carved from single piece of pine or spruce wood and can reach up to 8 meters.

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:57 am
by ghmerrill
BGuttman wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:41 am and Russian Bassoon.
... which is famously neither Russian nor a bassoon. :roll:

You left out the ophicleide, which seemed to be making something of a comeback a few years ago in a very niche market. I haven't heard much about it recently, though I did attend one solo performance at an Army tuba & euphonium conference a few years back. However, that's really a western instrument, as are the serpent and Russian Bassoon.

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:03 pm
by BGuttman
ghmerrill wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:57 am
BGuttman wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:41 am and Russian Bassoon.
... which is famously neither Russian nor a bassoon. :roll:

You left out the ophicleide, which seemed to be making something of a comeback a few years ago in a very niche market. I haven't heard much about it recently, though I did attend one solo performance at an Army tuba & euphonium conference a few years back. However, that's really a western instrument, as are the serpent and Russian Bassoon.
The ophicleide and its cousin the quinticlave (the latter of which I actually had an opportunity to play) were generally made of brass, and I was talking about instruments not made of brass. One other that I could have mentioned was the South African Vuvuzela, now usually made of plastic.

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:21 pm
by iranzi
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Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:38 pm
by ghmerrill
This Russian Bassoon reference here has jogged my memory of actually using this instrument as an illustration of difficulties in scientific classification -- over 10 years ago at a meeting in Durham of the Phenotype Ontology Research Coordination Network (Whew!! What do you suppose THAT means? :roll: ). Part of the summary of that was "He used a classification of brass instruments as an example illustrative of the key issues and discussed why these issues matter, and how easy it is to introduce errors." So we can see that not only do brass instruments contribute to the advancement of science, but in particular the Russian Bassoon does, even if it's only about half brass. :lol:

I'm really happy to be retired and using brass instruments just to play music. :)

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:19 pm
by iranzi
ghmerrill wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:38 pm "He used a classification of brass instruments as an example illustrative of [...] how easy it is to introduce errors."

I'm really happy to be retired and using brass instruments just to play music. :)
Now that you mention it, i must admit i often engage in brass instruments classifying, instead of playing them (a guilty pleasure :shuffle: )

Re: Non-western low brass instruments?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:45 pm
by ghmerrill
At least I got paid for it (at least kind of).