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… who isn’t Bill Watrous.

Angel Subero https://college.berklee.edu/people/angel-subero plays a Bach 16 for his small bore tenor.

I'm pretty sure that Keith O'Quinn - NYC big band/Broadway player uses a 16 (or at least did use one at some time).

JS

Keith has played the same gold plated 16 that he got from Sam Burtis for (I believe) about 50 years now.

Conrad Herwig played a 16 for something like 30 years.

Dick Nash has been on a 16 for nearly 50 years.

Michael Nelson (Hornheads, Cory Wong, Prince, arranger/composer and freakin' awesome 'bone player) played a 16M for decades.
(he's using a Carbon bell with a 16M slide now, I beleive?)

DaveAshley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:37 pm Dick Nash has been on a 16 for nearly 50 years.

Of course Dick had Bruce Belo replace his Bach slide crook with a single-radius King 3B crook. Sounded great!

Definitely gave an album where Carl Fontana is very clearly holding a 16 of some variety on the cover

Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:49 am Definitely gave an album where Carl Fontana is very clearly holding a 16 of some variety on the cover

Carl Fontana gave (yes, actually gave) a 16M to Herb Besson when Herb was in his early 20's and absolutely killing it when living in Vancouver. He could play EVERY Fontana solo note for note, and the master was impressed enough to give him his horn. That would've been in the late 1970's.

(of interest...Herb was know for carrying a machete in his gig bag just in case anyone tried to steal the horn from him!)

Herb played it until he lived in NYC and started do more work on bass trombone/tuba, with some tenor work for sure in the '90's. He switched tenors a couple of times to suit the B'Way work that he was busy with. (He left town 20 years ago and switched career focus to house renovations in California.)

The great Bob Stroup (Woody Herman band, everything in western Canada) played a 16M when living in Edmonton, Canada. He was one of the most amazing players I've ever heard. Died far too soon.

It's been a long time since I was at UCLA, but I think Paul Tanner played a 16 as his small bore. He played a 42/42B as his large bore..

Me. I'm a very prominent trombonist in my house. LOL!

I have one, and I have nearly 5000(!) posts on this forum.

OK, I've used it outside the house twice in 4 years...

Cmillar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:39 am

Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:49 am Definitely gave an album where Carl Fontana is very clearly holding a 16 of some variety on the cover

The great Bob Stroup (Woody Herman band, everything in western Canada) played a 16M when living in Edmonton, Canada. He was one of the most amazing players I've ever heard. Died far too soon.

I recently ran into a fellow who’d moved to Vancouver from Edmonton. He had what he said was Bob Stroup’s horn (probably one of several). Bach slide with an 8 and 1/2” de Bruycker bell. Good player, nice sound.

From the distant past... Neal Di Biase played a Bach 16 as principal trombone with Pittsburgh under Reiner and the NBC Symphony under Toscanini. At one point Di Biase asked Toscanini whether, to go along with the current trend, he ought to play a larger instrument. Toscanini told him not to change a thing.

Bach5G wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:47 pm

Cmillar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:39 am The great Bob Stroup (Woody Herman band, everything in western Canada) played a 16M when living in Edmonton, Canada. He was one of the most amazing players I've ever heard. Died far too soon.

I recently ran into a fellow who’d moved to Vancouver from Edmonton. He had what he said was Bob Stroup’s horn (probably one of several). Bach slide with an 8 and 1/2” de Bruycker bell. Good player, nice sound.

Right...I think Bob had the very first DeBruycker bell, or maybe it was Dave Robbins who had the first.

But, he had a 16M for awhile. An 8, and he'd try different things out. Would have to check with Joy Archer, who would know for sure.

Cmillar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:06 pm

Bach5G wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:47 pm

I recently ran into a fellow who’d moved to Vancouver from Edmonton. He had what he said was Bob Stroup’s horn (probably one of several). Bach slide with an 8 and 1/2” de Bruycker bell. Good player, nice sound.

Right...I think Bob had the very first DeBruycker bell, or maybe it was Dave Robbins who had the first.

But, he had a 16M for awhile. An 8, and he'd try different things out. Would have to check with Joy Archer, who would know for sure.

Cam, I’m sure you’ve seen this before but Bob Stroup at 38 minutes or so:



Tony Bennett coming over, bringing the camera with him, and singing next to you. No pressure eh? Classy of Tony B.

You probably recognize the bass trombone player.

I heard a story, I think from Joe himself, that he started making horns when he told Dave R he could make him a better horn than the Williams Dave was playing.

Tom bones Malone

FranzS wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:55 am Tom bones Malone

I always associated Malone with a 48H.

I thought Malone played a Bach 12?

When Tom Malone retired, Dillon's had a bunch of his horns for sale. I think they were all Bach's, some NY and Mt. Vernon in the mix, and there were several models, including 6, 8, 12 and 16 (I think).

JS

Bach5G wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:07 pm
Cam, I’m sure you’ve seen this before but Bob Stroup at 38 minutes or so:



Tony Bennett coming over, bringing the camera with him, and singing next to you. No pressure eh? Classy of Tony B.

You probably recognize the bass trombone player.

Heavenly!

https://www.trombone.org/articles/view.php?id=47
In this interview he says 16M with 6 1/2 Mpc

Bach5G wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:07 pm

Cmillar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:06 pm

Right...I think Bob had the very first DeBruycker bell, or maybe it was Dave Robbins who had the first.

But, he had a 16M for awhile. An 8, and he'd try different things out. Would have to check with Joy Archer, who would know for sure.

Cam, I’m sure you’ve seen this before but Bob Stroup at 38 minutes or so:



Tony Bennett coming over, bringing the camera with him, and singing next to you. No pressure eh? Classy of Tony B.

You probably recognize the bass trombone player.

I heard a story, I think from Joe himself, that he started making horns when he told Dave R he could make him a better horn than the Williams Dave was playing.

Yeah! Great to see / hear! Bob Stroup ! Sharman King bass trombone.

And Gary Guthman on lead trumpet, a young Sandy Barter next to him. Bob Tildsely playing solos.

That...is a good band. Back when Tommy Banks made things happen in Edmonton/Calgary.

Nichol Thomson (Superhighway Band, etc)

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Roswell Rudd playing it, at least during his last 20 years? Would very much like to know that...

Playing lead trombone in the Paradise Valley Community College jazz ensemble doesn't constitute prominence, but for that I did use my LT16M.

iranzi, Roswell played an Edwards at the end of his career. Before that he used a Holton Collegiant for most of his time

Is this could be a Bach 16?

iranzi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:26 pm Is this not a 16 on the photos?

Looks like a 36

He sure pulled his tuning slide a lot.

Doug Elliott wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:58 am He sure pulled his tuning slide a lot.

Hah!...maybe the bass player is tuned to A=432!

DaveAshley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:37 pm Keith has played the same gold plated 16 that he got from Sam Burtis for (I believe) about 50 years now.

Conrad Herwig played a 16 for something like 30 years.

Dick Nash has been on a 16 for nearly 50 years.

I've seen videos on YouTube with Dick playing a Williams (model 8, I think) and a Conn 24H. Always thought he played lots of different horns and sounded great on all of them.

Dick played a Williams 6 on this video
His bell looks bigger than a .500 horn, but so does mine.

He also played a Bach 16 slide on a Williams 6 bell at some point.

Dick Nash played a Williams 8. Now owned by a friend of mine who quit playing when he developed congestive heart failure during the pandemic. He does not play anymore - that wonderful instrument still sits in its case.

Posaunus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:26 am Dick Nash played a Williams 8. Now owned by a friend of mine who quit playing when he developed congestive heart failure during the pandemic. He does not play anymore - that wonderful instrument still sits in its case.

A pity! That horn should be played!

Yes, I am pretty sure he plays an 8 on Shadow of your smile.

Joey Sellers?

I think Birch Johnson played a Bach 16

I played with few of 16 bach player
Keith O'Quinn was on 16 and Gold plated in 1992 around,Birch Johnson when I played with him he played NY 6 bell with 16M slide,same for years Bill Reichenbach,Tom Malone 16m slide NY bell ,Dick Nash play one of the Bill Watrous's 16M ,Herb Besson have the Williams 6 of Carl not 16,Carl played on 12, Watrous absolutely on his 16M by Peppy Pettinato but the bell was from Sonny Russo,Condrad Herwing on 16M with NY 12C.

Delfayo Marsalis was on 16 too

FranzS wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:55 am Tom bones Malone

Yeah, I was just going to mention Tom. Got a photo at his house. Not sure what's going on with that lead pipe, though. Or that Hamilton stand. Or that amp on the left! LOL!

I don't think that's a leadpipe. It looks like something called a "Sound Sleeve", or actually what my setup looked like when I used a machine bearing to simulate one.

tbdana wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:51 pm Not sure what's going on with that ... Hamilton stand.

I am very happy to use my two old (but perfectly functional) Hamilton stands - in my practice room.
On the job, I much prefer a K&M stand (or for a lightweight trombone, I may bring on On-Stage stand) - always kept in the trunk of my vehicle.
All my stands are equipped with an absorbent, cushioning Hamilton Bone Sock.

The ring on the mouthpiece that fits just before the entrance to the leadpipe on Tom Malone's horn was something that Chuck McAlexander (The Brasslab) in NYC used to make. They worked a bit like a heavier blank on a mouthpiece, and they came in different sizes and weights. They "firmed-up" the slotting through partials - not for everyone. There were a lot of players using them, particularly in NY in the 90's. Chuck used to call them Mouthpiece Donuts.

JS