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Q series will work with both.

835D worked great with my Markey 87.

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I know it's not quite the same, I've been using a Griego - Markey 85 with my Yamaha 830 and have been getting complements on my tone.

Greetings

I used to play a WHF (German style) mouthpiece with My Shires Custom but I love playing my Shires or My Yamaha YBL620G with My Griego Gp, the tone is amazing.
I'm not a big Greg Black fan, they're good but I don't like the core of the sound... I'd rather play with Griego or Willies mouthpieces.

I have a Yamaha 61D mouthpiece and it goes very well with my Yamaha bass trombone. I wouldn't play a Yamaha bass trombone with a huge bass trombone mouthpiece. I think it loses focus, core, sound quality and projection.

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Has Doug Elliott made a solution for this problem?

musicofnote wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:39 pmI'm using a Markey 85 on my Xeno 822G and am getting tired of not hitting the sweet spot with the teflon tape. The mouthpieces insert too far into the receiver without it. I have a Yamaha 59L and it doesn't insert as far and works well, just too small for me. Yesterday and today it was perfect with the tape. But just a little too much tape on the shaft and the slotting upstairs suffers. Too little or none and the slotting in the paddle registers get mushy.

I'm taking the 822g in for service the beginning of May and the shop has a Shire Q36GR and a Yamaha 835DG. So was thinking of trying them. Shouldn't even tempt myself, but ...

Does your 830 swallow the mouthpieces in the receiver?

All Yamaha trombones starting with the 613H and 622G have had the deeper receiver, which was not changed until the 835. So both the 830 and 822 have it, and honestly, as stated by some very knowledgeable techs and trombone designers, insertion depth is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the distance between the throat of the mouthpiece and the venturi in the leadpipe. I have never used any type of teflon tape with either my 830 or 822G with ANY mouthpiece I have used with them for a significant amount of time, and was able to get a good sound and accurate intonation.

These include: Faxx 1 1/2G, Yamaha 59L, Laskey 85MD, Marcinciewicz EBT-2, Griego-Markey 85 and 87, Ferguson -Minick V, L, and JR, and a Hammond 20BL.

I should also note that recent Bach 42 trombones I have tried out seem to have a shallower receiver ones made 20 years ago, and the distance my mouthpiece sticks out further now on my new 42BOF is about 3-4mm, which is the same as the usual difference in insertion depth that I see with the Yamaha bass trombones. I haven't noticed any major issues.

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After reading this thread one word comes to mind. Simplify.

You're not alone with the Yamaha bass issue. I would recommend any other brand, or a pre-Xeno model. I got my hands on an old Edwards bass that was an instantaneous, significant improvement in playability.

Some people like Xenos. Some people like Bach. Some people drink Moxie. A friend of mine said that once he finally figured out how to get his Bach perfectly set up and modded, and really learned to get the most out of it, *then* he would treat himself to an Edwards and upgrade. (to be fair he sounds really good on his hybrid Bach)

Try a different brand.

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Try the other horns, and if you like them more, great.

If not: if the "Remington" shanked Wedges play well and fit (...without wobbling, which I'd be surprised to hear, given that a real Remington taper in a Morse receiver will grab at the tip of the shank and still wobble further up, but if the Wedge-Remington/Yamaha combo works, it works...) why not just get the Wedge model mentioned in your signature with that shank?

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