Toby’s new horn?

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Looks like a Yamaha… :shock:
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Yes, it seems Yamaha.
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Looks like a Yamaha slide for sure. Could this be a new prototype?
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Hmm. Why does Steve Lange's (2nd Trombone) bell look larger than Jim Markey's (Bass Trombone)?
Optical illusion? Wide angle artifact?
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The tuba players hands are also larger than the bass trombone bell so....
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Looks like a pretty heavily modified Yamaha if it is. Slide hardware definitely looks like Yam. There's not a production Yamaha that I'm aware of with that style of wrap, modular fittings, and some interesting extensions on the F slide. Lever setup is also different than stock Yam. Hard to tell from the pic but possibly nickel brace tubes, too?
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Blabberbucket wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:19 pm Lever setup is also different than stock Yam.
The new 835 models have a lever/linkage just like this. I think it may be a new prototype instrument or at least custom for him.
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Burgerbob wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:24 pm
Blabberbucket wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:19 pm Lever setup is also different than stock Yam.
The new 835 models have a lever/linkage just like this. I think it may be a new prototype instrument or at least custom for him.
They also have brass valve caps, which is what it looks like that horn has. If it's a Yamaha, it's been quite some time since they made a Tenor with a 90 90 port configured valve.
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StevenHolloway wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:20 pm Looks like a Yamaha slide for sure. Could this be a new prototype?
What about the slide makes it a Yamaha?
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Why not ask Toby directly about his new (?) trombone?
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BassBoneWaluigi wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:26 amWhat about the slide makes it a Yamaha?
The shape of the cork barrels is distinctive. Of course if it's in development most likely he can't really talk about it.
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It's super seeecret. I betchuu it's made out of brass and pitched in a sharp Bb!
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BassBoneWaluigi wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:26 am
StevenHolloway wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:20 pm Looks like a Yamaha slide for sure. Could this be a new prototype?
What about the slide makes it a Yamaha?
I simply think that it is Yamaha, because on the top of slide you can see "Yamaha" writing, tipic of that brand.
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Danitrb wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:07 am I simply think that it is Yamaha, because on the top of slide you can see "Yamaha" writing, tipic of that brand.
You can also see that the over sleeves are not the same length as the Edwards T350-CR-E right next to it, and are uneven, as they are on the Yamaha Xeno Orchestral Tenors. The slide lock and the slide receiver locking nut look correct for a Yamaha as well.
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Y'all chose the wrong careers. Should have been detectives, not trombonists!
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Posaunus wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:08 pm Y'all chose the wrong careers. Should have been detectives, not trombonists!
Too many years of using binoculars and looking at photos trying to figure out what other people are playing. Also comes in handy when a frankenhorn shows up.
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It seems like a lot of players are switching from axials back to rotors. I just got my old rotor valve refinished at Shires. I don't know what they tweaked, but it plays way better than before. It's now one of the best rotors I've ever played. However, I just feel more comfortable on the axial and use that the majority of the time.
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JeffBone44 wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:43 am It seems like a lot of players are switching from axials back to rotors. I just got my old rotor valve refinished at Shires. I don't know what they tweaked, but it plays way better than before. It's now one of the best rotors I've ever played. However, I just feel more comfortable on the axial and use that the majority of the time.
My one and only horn for quite a number of years was a Bach 42T. I found that for me, I just like the more secure feeling and actuation of a rotor when compared to an Axial Flow. I also play rotor equipped basses, so its just better somehow to keep things consistent. I'm eventually probably going to either have my 42T turned into a rotor horn, or sell it. Right now I have too many trombones, but don't really play tenor enough right now to make a decision.
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Don't change the 42T -- those things are special. The only Bach I ever liked playing was my friend's 42T (the only 42T I got to try). It can't be a coincidence that out of 20+ Bach horns I've played, the 42T was the only one where I went "wow"!
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harrisonreed wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:22 pm Don't change the 42T -- those things are special. The only Bach I ever liked playing was my friend's 42T (the only 42T I got to try). It can't be a coincidence that out of 20+ Bach horns I've played, the 42T was the only one where I went "wow"!
Well, thankfully the valve is holding up, so far. The Aluminum core valves however do not have a replaceable bushing in the backing plate, so if that goes, there's no choice but to replace it. I should get around to doing the spot relacquering on it that it needs around the grip area.
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I have an axial Shires bass, so it probably makes sense that I would like the axial tenor better too. However, I have a Conn 78H Special with a rotor on it, and I do love that horn too.
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