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Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:27 pm
by baroquetrombone
It seemed like they were doing it again when I looked into it, but I've gotten no response to an email sent on 4 July. It's not a huge deal I guess, but I have two NY trombones and it would be cool to see the cards if possible.
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:40 pm
by ithinknot
Tried to get one at the end of Jan, crickets
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:53 pm
by CalgaryTbone
The Bach shop cards made a lot more sense when Bach was still a small shop and a lot of their work was custom. Now they have some different options but they are all standard choices. If you look at the old shop cards, they list things like tighter and looser valve tolerances (for trumpets) and non-standard choices of materials. Now, all of the choices seem to be from a small menu, and they usually make not of those choices on the bells or slides (G for gold brass for instance).
Jim Scott
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:02 pm
by Burgerbob
CalgaryTbone wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:53 pm
The Bach shop cards made a lot more sense when Bach was still a small shop and a lot of their work was custom. Now they have some different options but they are all standard choices. If you look at the old shop cards, they list things like tighter and looser valve tolerances (for trumpets) and non-standard choices of materials. Now, all of the choices seem to be from a small menu, and they usually make not of those choices on the bells or slides (G for gold brass for instance).
Jim Scott
They don't do shop cards for modern horns, but you can request the originals for New York and perhaps Mt Vernon instruments.
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:44 am
by elmsandr
Andy Lott, who had been managing that left Bach recently. He had made an email address for requesting them AND a standard for how to request it… if you don’t include a picture of you pointing at the serial number, they wouldn’t act on it. Note that they get dozens of requests a day and it is just a side task for somebody that has actual duties to do making horns.
I don’t know who, if anybody, is actively managing that these days for Bach.
Andy
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:05 am
by baroquetrombone
elmsandr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:44 am
Andy Lott, who had been managing that left Bach recently. He had made an email address for requesting them AND a standard for how to request it… if you don’t include a picture of you pointing at the serial number, they wouldn’t act on it. Note that they get dozens of requests a day and it is just a side task for somebody that has actual duties to do making horns.
I don’t know who, if anybody, is actively managing that these days for Bach.
Andy
Ohhhh. I didn't realize that he had left. I suppose that explains it. I sent my photo with the serial number and info exactly the right way, but didn't get anything back. If nobody's checking that email address anymore, I suppose it doesn't matter. Too bad- it's such a great resource.
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:29 am
by elmsandr
baroquetrombone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:05 am
Ohhhh. I didn't realize that he had left. I suppose that explains it. I sent my photo with the serial number and info exactly the right way, but didn't get anything back. If nobody's checking that email address anymore, I suppose it doesn't matter. Too bad- it's such a great resource.
He’s still around and active on FB forums and not completely removed from Bach.. there’s some relationship there, just not a Full Time Employee on site. Reach out to him there and he can probably point you in the right direction.
Cheers,
Andy
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:38 pm
by Finetales
Andy is still signed on with Bach as a consultant for trumpet development. Jeff Christiana took over Andy's post as High Brass Product Manager for Conn-Selmer. The shop card service was Andy's project and it's not too surprising that it wasn't handed off when he left.
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:21 am
by Matt K
Any chance Bach would let someone archive all of the shop cards and make them public? I don't know if there's any identifying info on them but that seems like it would be a nice thing to have and if it doesn't cost Bach anything to do...
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:07 am
by elmsandr
Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:21 am
Any chance Bach would let someone archive
all of the shop cards and make them public? I don't know if there's any identifying info on them but that seems like it would be a nice thing to have and if it doesn't cost Bach anything to do...
I’ve offered to do it even privately for them to make it easier and more automated. As well as even give them a confidential database of the information contained on the trombone cards.
Alas,,,
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:03 am
by baroquetrombone
elmsandr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:07 am
Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:21 am
Any chance Bach would let someone archive
all of the shop cards and make them public? I don't know if there's any identifying info on them but that seems like it would be a nice thing to have and if it doesn't cost Bach anything to do...
I’ve offered to do it even privately for them to make it easier and more automated. As well as even give them a confidential database of the information contained on the trombone cards.
Alas,,,
I wondered that too. Hell, if it's just a matter of scanning and uploading, gimme. I'll do it. There aren't THAT many.
There must be some reason to not make it public though, since Andy required a pic of the owner pointing to the serial number.
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:44 pm
by elmsandr
I mean, if I were their legal counsel, I’d probably look at this and say eh…. Maybe not.
But just to know how many of what existed would be fascinating.
Cheers,
Andy
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:11 pm
by octavposaune
Hi all,
I volunteered to scan them all back in 2012. Guess what? Bach has scanned them all since then. Getting to someone with access is the trick, I actually have 3 horns I need cards for myself
Benn
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:39 pm
by baroquetrombone
For what it's worth, the card for my 6 showed up in my email yesterday(!)
Now...am I going to push my luck with the 50b?
(yes
)
EDIT: Got an immediate response for the 50!
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:45 am
by ithinknot
Got a reply today. Looks like Jeff Christiana is handling it now
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:57 am
by Chatname
Dear baroquetrombone and ithinknot (or anyone else who can help out):
Where is this resource/where do I send an email to get a shop card? I too have a NY Bach, and would love to try to get a shop card. Thank you!
Re: Are Bach shop cards still avail?
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:20 am
by ithinknot