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Played it for about 2 hours so far and couldn’t be happier. Did I really need this? No. Am I talented enough to warrant this? Absolutely not! Does it make me happy inside? You betcha!

Some people buy sports cars when they hit middle age at least I can play this year round in New England, you can’t say that for a convertible.

This plays so easily, I love Hagmann valves. The horn just feels alive in my hands.

Holy cow that wrap is cool!

Congrats, tried them in Bremen a coupe of years ago and loved them. Happy playing!

Very, very nice!!

Congrats to both a great looking horn, and the wise spending of your money.

I hope you get many, happy years of playing it, and much great music from it.

Congrats!

Did you pick up at ATW?

What leadpipe did you end up going with?

It’s a “used” instrument, but I’d be hard pressed to tell. It came with a NY L Z leadpipe. Thein pipes are confusing! The one I have appears to be a two-piece with a yellow brass top 2/3 and what looks like a nickel pipe attached for the last 1/3 of the length. For the life of me it looks like a normal NY leadpipe with an extension added onto it to make it a L (long). I would like to eventually try one of the U bass pipes, but for now I’m enjoying it as is.

NY L Z is a great pipe, that’s the one I was in until just recently.

Most of the “branding” can be confusing because a lot of it is designed with a specific player in mind. That pipe was I believe one of Zach’s he helped develop.

Also! I’d highly recommend two “no space” valve caps. Really changed the horn for me in a really great way.

Nice horn! Couldn‘t take a better choice!

Sweet!

Beautiful bass! On my list (along with the BvD model) as a horn to try some day.

Holy Toledo - what a horn!...

Congrats!

Gorgeous instrument! Only tried Thein once in a noisy ITF hall. Would love to try one again in a quieter space.

What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

Hey! I’ve been using a Greg Black 1GS .312 #2. I’ll send you a PM.

Wilco wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:58 am What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:09 am

Wilco wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:58 am What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

Wilco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:10 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:09 am

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

Unless I'm misunderstanding you why not try a Thein with the same rim size as your DE? Doug can probably advise you and make a shank for you for your DE piece if you like it so much.

Wilco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:10 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:09 am

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

I had the Thein BM threaded so that the Elliott LB rims fit. Works very well!

That looks like amazing work on the MP! Did Doug do it?

Hmm... maybe I need to do this too.

Thanks! Yes the execution of the work is very well done. It was done by Adams in The Netherlands.

More detail

What cups and shanks did you play from Doug and how did you find them compared to the thein BM?

I've often thought about having a Thein BM and a JK Klier Cieslik Special converted to fit the LB rims.

Cool!!

Matthias wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:39 pm What cups and shanks did you play from Doug and how did you find them compared to the thein BM?

I've often thought about having a Thein BM and a JK Klier Cieslik Special converted to fit the LB rims.

For me it is not the cups as such that make a difference. I have the LB J and L cups. With the 10 shank. The Thein mouthpiece is longer and has a different taper in the shank (goes in further down the leadpipe). And that makes all the difference in response and resonance.

Forgot to add that the design of the throat and backbore is different from typical American mouthpieces. The cups are relatively shallow, but they still feel wide open. Even to a point that they can seem unfocused/ hard to slot on American made trombones. Good to mention btw my Thein is quite German, it is like a BVD model but then dependent.

And I had it done again

Looks slick! That Thein BM looks pretty shallow for a bass piece.

Yes… large throat and backbore on a 1,5G ish cup

Wilco wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:03 pm And I had it done again

I also have a few mouthpieces lying around that I might want to equip with a thread for Doug Elliott rims:

I asked Klier but unfortunately they don't cut any other threads.

Can you tell me if Adams has already saved Doug's thread so that it is enough to send a mouthpiece or do you always have to send a mouthpiece from Doug as well?

Matthias wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:42 am

Wilco wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:03 pm And I had it done again

I also have a few mouthpieces lying around that I might want to equip with a thread for Doug Elliott rims:

I asked Klier but unfortunately they don't cut any other threads.

Can you tell me if Adams has already saved Doug's thread so that it is enough to send a mouthpiece or do you always have to send a mouthpiece from Doug as well?

American threads are not difficult to cut on any lathe, the pitch is just calculated differently. I haven't measured my DE but I guess he uses UNF threads which has a 60 degree thread angle similar to metric threads, it's easily calculated using a vernier caliper and a set of thread pitch guages. If you send your rim and mpc to Adams they will caculate it accordingly. Not difficult for a half decent machinist to do.

Beautiful horn enjoy. Much better move than the convertible.