TromboneChat

imsevimse wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:39 am Usually I record myself when I'm doing play-along, both classical and jazz. I listen and imagine it is performed by someone else, not me. When I'm listening back to my improvisations I think of me listening as a collegue in the trombone section. I imagine the trombone player beside me stands up to do the solo.
I have found this to be much easier to coup with as a listener. I seem to both appreciate more of what I'm doing and to be mor accurate with the criticism. I need to listen objectively to find out what is most important to work at.

I try to put the solo performance in a context and when I listen like this I'm not in the way of what I hear.

It took a while to learn to really listen to myself . Before I could not sort out what's very important and what's less important. It is interesting to try to step out of character and listen from another perspective.

/Tom

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:49 am I end up recording my self to much and got tired listen my boring playing. I think its a good tool in the practice room to analyse and develop our own playing. Its a way to show our own weakness and strength, and we can learn from it and make it better. But in the end I think the best "recorder" or learning tool is a teacher.

Leif

imsevimse wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:28 am

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:49 am I end up recording my self to much and got tired listen my boring playing. I think its a good tool in the practice room to analyse and develop our own playing. Its a way to show our own weakness and strength, and we can learn from it and make it better. But in the end I think the best "recorder" or learning tool is a teacher.

Leif

I understand what you mean, but I don't think your playing is boring. A teacher can listen objectively and can be a great resource. I think the teacher is needed o a certain point.

I do think the best teacher eventually needs to be you, and the goal is to reach that level of maturity where you take control over your own development. The goal of all study is to learn how to be your own teacher.

To be your own teacher you need to be able to hear yourself objectively. You need to analyse the playing such that you can tell what is good and what is not so good. The recording device is your friend.

You need to set goals with everything you work at and you need to challenge yourself on everything on the horn and go way beyond your comfort zone. You might need a metronome to push your limits. You also need to check how you are doing with the recording device.

A help can then be anyone you hear and play with, someone who is an inspiration. I'm blessed with friends that give me advice whenever we meet and I appreciate that a lot.

Some people do not want to hear criticism from friends, and they get defensive and starts to argue if someone has an opinion. I'm not at all like that and I tell my friends that. I'm open to any criticism. If someone says something about my playing I always listen very carefully. That is to me an opportunity to learn from.
The recording device, me and my friends are my teachers.

I have not taken any real lessons for 30 years and at the same time these 30 years have been where I've learned the most.

I have thought of taking a single lesson from someone just to get a second opinion on my playing - thought of asking Hå kan Björkman - but as soon as I start to consider whom to contact I instinctly know he will ask me to work at certain aspects on the horn that I already know I need to work at. For me that tells me I don't need a teacher as much as I need to work at those things.

Another thing is to seek a teacher to get inspired by. I've thought about that and I did ask Bertil Strandberg who played with the Artie Shaw orchestra to give me a lesson about 10 years ago but he moved to Malmoe before it happened. I guess Nils Landgren would be a great guy to be inspired by but I think he is to busy.

/Tom