Earl Williams Trombone

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:48 am

I figured the 4 would be higher. One once went for $8K I hear....

I bet Quinn's got them on his watch list.

T.

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:49 am

Can't believe you are not selling outside of the USA....... You'd probably double what you are asking........

I'm not interested though, just dropped more than enough on my dream (Birth year) minty Conn 6H Elkhart......

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:00 pm

I agree!

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:20 pm

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Aug 17, 2010, 11:32PMwhat an evening! just got home a little while ago from my storage unit in which i finally got to meet Chris Amemiya! what an amazing player and nice guy! i couldn't believe what he was able to do with the horns! i have never personally seen or heard anyone play like him. hearing and seeing someone play like that in person is just mind-boggling and life changing lol! hopefully he chimes in a little later with some reviews!

Drew, I'm blushing. Wow, you have an amazing collection of horns and a number of bona fide collector's items. I think the horn that most spoke to me was one of the Williams 4s. That was a spectacular horn... dark compact sound like a Williams but it didn't really make you work overtly hard. The Burbank 8 was just terrific too... it plays substantially purer than my Burbank 9. Just a great sounding horn with that big old bell. You had a couple of 6's that were also fantastic. I just wished I had had a chance to play on your Williams bass trumpet... next time I'm in Hawaii 'kay?

And to the few folks who have posted queries about whether Williams from LA, Burbank, Tennessee, Tulsa play better/differently from one another, I think this largely depends on your own taste and preferences. There are good Williams horns and bad ones but you'd expect that from any hand crafted horn since no two horns are identical. I've played horns from all those manufacturing sites that were fine horns. And insofar as how they play relative to Kings, Bachs, Kanstuls, Shires, Conns, Yamahas, again, personal choice. Williams horns are certainly not the freest blowing horns and they can make you work hard for that dark, compact sound.

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:13 pm

I actually didn't like my 6's (I have 2) when I first got them; they felt tight. I didn't use them for several years; even sold one and then bought it back. I finally took one on tour so I'd be forced to use it... and I'm still using it.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:02 am

Quote from: chris.amemiya on Aug 24, 2010, 04:20PMDrew, I'm blushing. Wow, you have an amazing collection of horns and a number of bona fide collector's items. I think the horn that most spoke to me was one of the Williams 4s. That was a spectacular horn... dark compact sound like a Williams but it didn't really make you work overtly hard. The Burbank 8 was just terrific too... it plays substantially purer than my Burbank 9. Just a great sounding horn with that big old bell. You had a couple of 6's that were also fantastic. I just wished I had had a chance to play on your Williams bass trumpet... next time I'm in Hawaii 'kay?

And to the few folks who have posted queries about whether Williams from LA, Burbank, Tennessee, Tulsa play better/differently from one another, I think this largely depends on your own taste and preferences. There are good Williams horns and bad ones but you'd expect that from any hand crafted horn since no two horns are identical. I've played horns from all those manufacturing sites that were fine horns. And insofar as how they play relative to Kings, Bachs, Kanstuls, Shires, Conns, Yamahas, again, personal choice. Williams horns are certainly not the freest blowing horns and they can make you work hard for that dark, compact sound.

I have to get over there and check out his Burbank 8.

I was blowing an Olds Opera for four years before getting my Burbank 6. I found my 6 to be freer blowing than the much larger bored Opera but I may have had a bad one. My trombone teacher in college didn't like it's sound and encouraged me to find another horn which, fortunately, turned out to be my 6.

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:58 pm

Quote from: Doug Elliott on Aug 24, 2010, 10:13PMI actually didn't like my 6's (I have 2) when I first got them; they felt tight. I didn't use them for several years; even sold one and then bought it back. I finally took one on tour so I'd be forced to use it... and I'm still using it.

Doug, out of curiousity, what mouthpiece setup are you using on the 6?

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:33 am

It's listed at the bottom of my posts: XT Lexan N104 rim, D cup, D2 shank. That's a very large rim size on a cup that's sort of like a 6-1/2AL with a smaller throat and backbore.

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:11 pm

Quote from: Doug Elliott on Aug 26, 2010, 07:33AMIt's listed at the bottom of my posts: XT Lexan N104 rim, D cup, D2 shank. That's a very large rim size on a cup that's sort of like a 6-1/2AL with a smaller throat and backbore.

I did see that but thought that it couldn't be right because the rim size was so big. Was that what you were playing in Seattle when you sat in at Tula's?

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:23 am

Yes, I use that rim on all tenor and alto playing. A big rim solves a lot of problems for those who need it, and there's no downside. It sounds and feels "normal" to me.

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:21 pm

John Duda has recently moved from Tulsa to Eugene (OR) and is back in the business of making/selling stuff. In addition to building Calicchio trumpets he is the guru behind the new Williams trombones.

He has just about finished building a new Williams 6. No takers yet.

He is a good guy and very knowledgeable about building brass instruments. He can be reached through Marcinkiewicz MP.

Phone: (503) 263 - 2456

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:43 am

Hey Chris,

Shhhh... I might want to buy that 6 for myself. Now that I'm in better shape than I was a year and a half ago, I again checked out a friend's Calicchio Williams 6 against my Burbank 6 and darn if the Calicchio wasn't just as good, at least to the best of my abilities and discernment.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:38 am

recently accquired a fantastic blowing small bell -its hooked up to an unmarked model conn 500
sleeveless brass outers --looks 48h ish
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dr dave brubeck in ft lauderdale is playing 2nd in his local symphony and asked me if i could find
an 8 or 9 -- so if anyone has one that they would be happy to know its being well played
please contact me or dave !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dave is also into selmer paris !!!!!! and a great bass bone player !!!!!!!!!!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:46 am

Quote from: dj kennedy on Nov 23, 2010, 07:38AMrecently accquired a fantastic blowing small bell -its hooked up to an unmarked model conn 500
sleeveless brass outers --looks 48h ish
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Pics??

T.

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:55 am

Quote from: chris.amemiya on Oct 12, 2010, 11:21PMJohn Duda has recently moved from Tulsa to Eugene (OR) and is back in the business of making/selling stuff. In addition to building Calicchio trumpets he is the guru behind the new Williams trombones.

He has just about finished building a new Williams 6. No takers yet.

He is a good guy and very knowledgeable about building brass instruments. He can be reached through Marcinkiewicz MP.

Phone: (503) 263 - 2456

I got to fiddle a bit on the 6 he made for Doug Bundy - sweet horn. the Duda horns are smokin'.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:56 am

latest trade deal in progress
model 8 for 62h elkie

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:43 am

Burbank or Donaldson?

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:05 am

Blood in the Water

Everyone get to the Beach

Feeding Frenzy

http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Burbank-Model-6-Trombone-/290514621235?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item43a4055333

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:53 am

Quote from: sly fox on Dec 21, 2010, 06:05AM http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Burbank-Model-6-Trombone-/290514621235?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item43a4055333Even if the original tuning slide no longer fits, I would still want it. I suspect it was cut down to allow for extended positions. The inner lower tube and upper outer tube of the tuning slide are still short, which would limit travel.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:12 am

This offer still stands for TTF members.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,52754.0.html

ttf_Slipmo · Post by **ttf_Slipmo** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:43 pm

I thought the Williams clan might like to see the Billy Byers model 4. It has a gold plated bell

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:47 pm

Drool drool drool... That horn looks like it's in awfully nice shape considering that it has to be more than 35 years old. Do you think that it was refurbished somewhere along its existence? Also, do you think it's really a gold plated bell? Or maybe just gold washed like with King 3Bs that I've seen. Not that I really know the difference, you understand, but I would think that a gold plated bell would be prohibitively expensive.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:45 pm

well, gold plating on what was at the time a high dollar custom instrument doesn't seem so bad... and it's an option most high end instrument manufacturers still offer, even with the price of gold being as high as it is.

and gold doesn't tarnish, which might explain the clean look of the instrument.

i wouldn't mind having a gold-plated 6 fall into my hands. wouldn't mind one bit...

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:48 pm

Hmm, gold plated 6. Yeah, that sounds nice, doesn't it? Hmmm...

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:14 pm

Okay, I announced it in the new trombone for Christmas thread so I thought I'd put it here too, just to make it official. I bought the Burbank Williams 4 from Noah. Great Christmas present to myself, huh?

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:22 am

oh you ass!

merry christmas Richard, it couldn't go to a nicer guy. take care of her...

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:33 am

Merry Christmas, Zac.

Thanks, I plan to use the 4 a lot, starting with the musical "Oliver" that's going to start in March. I'm excited.

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:15 pm

I guess I'm going to have to plan a vacation to Hawaii just to try it!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:51 pm

Quote from: Doug Elliott on Dec 26, 2010, 12:15PMI guess I'm going to have to plan a vacation to Hawaii just to try it!

Sure! The next time I order a mpc or parts from you, just deliver it in person.

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:00 pm

Hey Williams fans,
A buddy of mine is selling this beauty on Ebay....... Very rare Callichio/Williams model 6...... Gold plated!!!!

Good luck............ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Calicchio-Earl-Williams-Model-6Trombone-/160523783201?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item255ff68c21#ht_952wt_1141

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:13 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 28, 2010, 03:00PMHey Williams fans,
A buddy of mine is selling this beauty on Ebay....... Very rare Callichio/Williams model 6...... Gold plated!!!!

Good luck............ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Calicchio-Earl-Williams-Model-6Trombone-/160523783201?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item255ff68c21#ht_952wt_1141

Hi Chris,

Pardon me, but that looks more like a Donelson, Tennessee Williams 6. My first clue was the water key, then the Donelson, TN stamp on the bell stem. However, just to confuse me and throw me off the scent, I saw the Calicchio inscription on the bell but couldn't make out what's written below that. Any idea what's going on?

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:39 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Dec 28, 2010, 05:13PMI saw the Calicchio inscription on the bell but couldn't make out what's written below that. Any idea what's going on?If memory serves, there was a brief time pre-Donelson that Calicchio had the Williams tooling. I suspect the bell was made at Calicchio in Hollywood and shipped to Donelson where the horn was assembled.

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:48 pm

You have it backwards. Caliccio was after Donelson and most or all of the horns they "made" were merely assembled from parts that Jay and MaryLee Armstrong made in Donelson TN. It's unfortunate that they were not able to make it a financial success because they were very meticulous and built some good horns.

Caliccio really contributed nothing to the Williams name during the short time they had it.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:38 pm

I would like to add a coda to what Doug said. I feel that when John Duda bought Calicchio and moved it to Tulsa, the Williams trombones he made were of excellent quality. The Tulsa Calicchio Williams 6 that my friend has is every bit as good as my Burbank 6 and the 8 that I got from John is also a great horn. (If I didn't already own two 6's, I'd be very tempted to buy a (now Oregon) Calicchio 6.) I haven't played any Calicchio Williams horns from the Hollywood period (I believe different owner -- not John Duda) but I have heard that they weren't very good. I hope John Noxon will jump in if I'm wrong.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:00 pm

You are absolutely right. When the tooling etc left Donnellson and came to LA what was produced here was horrible. John Duda has made some excellent horns and tried to keep the name alive. Doug said it well!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:39 am

Richard - I love the new horn.

It's a beauty!!!

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:17 am

Hi Troy. Thank you very much. I talked to Noah yesterday and asked him to get the slide refurbished and should be getting the horn in two or three weeks. I'm really excited.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:55 am

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Jan 04, 2011, 11:17AMHi Troy. Thank you very much. I talked to Noah yesterday and asked him to get the slide refurbished and should be getting the horn in two or three weeks. I'm really excited.

Aloha,
Richard
Do ya want another model 6?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Burbank-Model-6-Trombone-/290520231934?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item43a45aeffe

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:35 am

Yes, I'd like another Williams 6 but I can afford it. The 4 set me back a lot.

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:32 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 28, 2010, 03:00PMHey Williams fans,
A buddy of mine is selling this beauty on Ebay....... Very rare Callichio/Williams model 6...... Gold plated!!!!

Good luck............ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Calicchio-Earl-Williams-Model-6Trombone-/160523783201?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item255ff68c21#ht_952wt_1141

Chris Barber is now the proud owner of this one!!!!
His previous horn was a Schmelzer.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:50 pm

Hi Chris,

How does Mr. Barber like his 6? I'm curious because I've heard some great things about Donelson horns, but I've also heard some not so good things. I hope your friend got one that falls in the former category.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_SilverBone · Post by **ttf_SilverBone** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:59 pm

Today was an exciting day - I took delivery on a brand spanking new Williams 6 model made by John Duda. This is only the second Williams 6 made in Canby, OR after John moved here.

Right now it has no engraving, and it is raw brass. I am considering sending it off for engraving and silver plating. But right now I want to play it, not send it anywhere.

Couple photos attached of my new baby. Also a brief sound clip (end of Martin Ballade). Deficiencies in the sound should be attributed to my playing, but the glories in the sound are Williams. Plays with a much bigger sound than my other .500 horns, IMO.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:39 am

Dude.... that's sweeeeet !

Congrats!

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:36 am

Awesome!!!

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:23 pm

Nice nice horn!!

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:22 am

hey portland \get jason dumars

to engrave it

Quote from: SilverBone on Jan 13, 2011, 10:59PMToday was an exciting day - I took delivery on a brand spanking new Williams 6 model made by John Duda. This is only the second Williams 6 made in Canby, OR after John moved here.

Right now it has no engraving, and it is raw brass. I am considering sending it off for engraving and silver plating. But right now I want to play it, not send it anywhere.

Couple photos attached of my new baby. Also a brief sound clip (end of Martin Ballade). Deficiencies in the sound should be attributed to my playing, but the glories in the sound are Williams. Plays with a much bigger sound than my other .500 horns, IMO.

ttf_datguy · Post by **ttf_datguy** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:38 am

Ooooooooooohhhhh...

That is nice!

ttf_John Beers Jr. · Post by **ttf_John Beers Jr.** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:46 am

Sounds nice SilverBone, I'd like to hear more.

ttf_SilverBone · Post by **ttf_SilverBone** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:41 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 21, 2011, 09:22AMhey portland \get jason dumars

to engrave it

Dumars' online info about engraving seems to have disappeared.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:52 am

Breaking News...... Breaking News......

As DJ would say....
Artie Shaw break through//Lord of rims w/ calipers///
News Break/// more at 11

Mafia connection reveals.... no 3 !!!!!
It's a 1,2,3 4!

I had the honor of meeting Doug Elliot yesterday afternoon, and listen to him play and perform with the Artie Shaw Orchestra. Doug is top class! and very cool.

He measured my Williams bore size, with some very specific tooling.
Turns out.... what I thought I had was a Williams 3.
Doug revealed that no, it was actually a Williams 4 .491 bore. How cool was that!
Then, at the Concert last evening, Doug played my LA 4, along with his LA 6.
The man can make a slide smoke!!!!!! Grovey old school swing/big band - loved it Doug!

WOW, what a great time!!!!

More to come... I gottas get 2 church (runnin late).

T.

Quote from: tsmart on Feb 17, 2010, 07:48AMRichard - get any pics of your horn yet???
As promised... here's some new ones of mine (it cleaned up nice). Still need to clean it a little more around the tight areas (braces, counterweight), but too much going on right now (it'll have to wait a little while).

Polished up enough though, to be ready for rehearsal tomorrow....

T.