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What about the nickle outers on my horn?  Was that ever an option?  Did earl ever use nickle tubes?  Why is it I have a .522 bore horn with a 7 1/2 inch bell?

 

Quote from: jnoxon on May 28, 2010, 06:33PMIs Bulwin still around?My search didn't come up with anything recent. I'd be surprised if they were still around after all these years.

Hello All,

Quinntheskimo has one of the model 10 bass in all nickel, including the bell and rotor tubing.  The valve wrap looked very similar to the Olds GR and Conn 72H.

Quinn seemed to think it was a very rare option. 

Dan is your trombone marked as an 8?  You can cut a bell to any diameter on the original mandrel, or a seriously damaged flair could have been cut down.  Food for thought.

Benn

The .522 and the 7.5 bell were left overs from the Wallace days. They were made that way for a long time under the Wallace Williams name. Spike Wallaces horn was a straight .565 bore, no trigger tenor. Imagine how huge and crazy that was in 1928? I have seen nickel tubes before, only one or two like that. Most horns under Wallace were Gold plated or Silver, brass was rare for the late Wallace horns. The beginning of Williams horns were brass and stayed that way to the end. There was a couple of Silver and gold but not many Williams were that way.

Ben,  My horn is marked with an "L" above the serial number.  I am VERY certain it was never cut down.

I took it to Dan Oberloh's today.  Gladly he said it didn't need any work. 

I also let two VERY qualified professional players test it out. Ed Ulman, and Chris Amemiya.  They both thought the horn was great. And they both sounded awesome on the horn.  We took some video of Chris for the world to hear how this one sounds in front of a pro player.  It should be up for viewing soon.

Also I think the outers are original.  The horn was refinished at one point in it's life, Perhaps the 50's but even Dan said the person who did the work did a nice job.  It really is a thing of beauty. There is some spotting on the bell flair with some minor loss of lacquer, but all in all it is fine.   

Hi Dan,

I'm glad you're going to post the video.  I'd love to hear your horn and I always enjoy listening to Chris play.

Aloha,
Richard

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on May 29, 2010, 06:29PMHi Dan,

I'm glad you're going to post the video.  I'd love to hear your horn and I always enjoy listening to Chris play.

Aloha,
Richard

Yes he has some talent. He also has the video so we will have wait for him to put it up.

Quote from: octavposaune on May 29, 2010, 10:08AMQuinntheskimo has one of the model 10 bass in all nickel, including the bell and rotor tubing.  The valve wrap looked very similar to the Olds GR and Conn 72H.

Quinn seemed to think it was a very rare option.Pretty much any configuration of 10 is a rare option...

http://sharing.theflip.com/session/a74ca21664802754e8aba8e470bf06dc/video/14517394


Thanks again Chris!  Very nice! 

Hey!  Cool!  Thanks Dan and Chris.   

Since there's been some discussion about cases for Williams trombones and since I said I'd post pictures of the coffin case that came with my '71 Burbank 6, here are a couple of shots.

Aloha,
Richard

Quote from: Dan Martin on May 29, 2010, 11:26PMhttp://sharing.theflip.com/session/a74ca21664802754e8aba8e470bf06dc/video/14517394


Thanks again Chris!  Very nice! 

My pleasure.  You got a beauty.  It plays really well too. If I didn't know it I wouldn't have pegged this as a .520 horn since it feels smaller and has a remarkably quick response. The wider width of the slide gives it away though... and of course one can honk some pretty low notes with good resolution because it is a .520 bore. The overtone series seemed similar to my Williams 6, though upon listening to the vid I notice that I'm a tad flat on the Gs above the staff. I am playing on an old Bach 9 (NY) mouthpiece which seemed to be a pretty good match for this horn. I think this horn would be great for lead work in a big band and for solo work too. Dan, you done good! I am quite envious.

BIG  NEWS  ////////BACHORNDOCTOR SCORED THE  WILLIAMS  factory  parts  etc  from tulsa

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jun 07, 2010, 10:13AMBIG  NEWS  ////////BACHORNDOCTOR SCORED THE  WILLIAMS  factory  parts  etc  from tulsa
What's up w/ John Dudda? Is he still piddling with them too?

T.

hit  face book 
 mike corrigan  /
there are  pics  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i bought a  bach  bass case  couple of weeks ago -listed on the bay
  supposedly duda  heading to oregon  ?????????

from mike's facebook yesterday:

Mike Corrigan Didn't want to announce it prematurely (to avoid more competition from showing up...) BUT Andy and I went to the Calicchio/Earl Williams bank foreclosure auction yesterday and we scored some amazing pieces of history!! We'll continue using some equipment that has been being used since the 1920's to create superb hand crafted brass instruments. We also have hoards of original parts!

who  got the   bell    mandrels???????????

^ now that is the million dollar question.

John Duda still has all the mandrels and tooling for Williams horns. He left junk behind that he did not have room for. Nothing could be manufactured with what is left. The bells from Donelson and some other misc junk left behind. At least somebody got it that appreciates what it is!

guess we will just have to wait until Mike tells us what he got.

john  must still have  name/rights  etc  ////

donelson bells  //looks like about 30  flares    piled up in the back of  the van
  wood drawers   w parts   out of earls workbench
lotsa  misc  ///////////
   did getzen  do the donelson flares  ????????????????????????????????


Quote from: jnoxon on Jun 07, 2010, 02:38PMJohn Duda still has all the mandrels and tooling for Williams horns. He left junk behind that he did not have room for. Nothing could be manufactured with what is left. The bells from Donelson and some other misc junk left behind. At least somebody got it that appreciates what it is!

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jun 07, 2010, 04:10PMjohn  must still have  name/rights  etc  ////
Nope.

It was Bart and Carol Dalton

Now it's just Carol Dalton.

koz

Don't forget that in side-by-side tests, the Kanstul Model 1606 often compared more than favorably to vintage Williams trombones, and is said by many to be superior to the modern Williams 6 (with all due respect to our gentlemen competitor from Tulsa, et al).

all the best!

regardless of what was saved and what gets done with it, congrats to saving the stuff from the dust bin.  There is a Jazz History in KC, perhaps something might fit in there if nothing else.

BAC's got a Williams 8 bell up on ebay right now, for whatever it's worth: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435719321&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

Oooh... and a 6: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435718625&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

Quote from: John Beers Jr. on Jun 09, 2010, 08:54AMBAC's got a Williams 8 bell up on ebay right now, for whatever it's worth: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435719321&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

Oooh... and a 6: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435718625&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123
Wonder what they are worth? 

Guess we'll find out!!! 

T.

Don't miss the other three bells that are up! ;o) We have three SIX bells, a FOUR bell, and that EIGHT bell. :oP

--MC

Quote from: Mike Corrigan on Jun 09, 2010, 12:36PMDon't miss the other three bells that are up! ;o) We have three SIX bells, a FOUR bell, and that EIGHT bell. :oP

--MC
Discounts for TTF members?? 

T.

hey how do late 80's/early 90's "tennesse" williams 6 horns compare to earl williams and the kanstul 1606, and for that matter king 3bs and other new horns? thanks

anyone interested in a Tennessee Model 4?

Quote from: powerandfinesse on Jun 18, 2010, 10:32PMhey how do late 80's/early 90's "tennesse" williams 6 horns compare to earl williams and the kanstul 1606, and for that matter king 3bs and other new horns? thanks

The last three didn't write any plays.

or at least any award winning plays, isn't it possible that they may have written plays we don't know of

tennessee  6  available soon  @ about  2800
 burbank   6  -3800   plus 



Quote from: Bach42BOS on Jul 12, 2010, 10:26PManyone interested in a Tennessee Model 4?

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jul 13, 2010, 10:19AMtennessee  6  available soon  @ about  2800
 burbank   6  -3800   plus 




call me, collect, when you can knock off the last zero on those numbers

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jul 13, 2010, 10:19AMtennessee  6  available soon  @ about  2800
 burbank   6  -3800   plus 



what would you price a Tennessee 4 at?

tenn  4    10-4      ha ha
  guessing   if it blows great  over 3 g 
 as  the  latest  10-6  is  asking  28
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 burbank   4   have  gone  for as much  as  8
though usually its  around  4

DJ>
How bout a LA 3 ?
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10K+? 
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Not4 sale, just sayin/askin...
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How bout that Russian Spy Mission?
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What up with the Kansas Williams? Models?
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How's the Art Van? Hold up OK?
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Sent ya a couple e-mails the other day. What's the word?
6H is Grovy, but like the Recording much betta
Beater 42?

C-ya,
T.

TENNESSEE  4  AND  8  =AVAILABLE !!!!!!!!!!!

3   burbank  6s    !!!!!!!!!!!  on market  !!!!!!!!
3000 euro
 3500
 and   probably   3500

Geez, prices on those Burbank 6's have sure shot up!     We should stop raving about the horns so much so that people won't know what they are.   

Aloha,
Richard

3 on the market? There was one in the classifieds, where are the other two?

Quote from: cozzagiorgi on Aug 10, 2010, 11:55PM3 on the market? There was one in the classifieds, where are the other two?
There was 2 on e-bay. Both buy it now's.

A Tenn 8 bell section, which sold....
and an old beater Wallace and Williams like Dan owned, but the dude wanted WAY to much for it (like $1,400 - it was beat up real bad). I don't think it sold.

Check w/ DJ.
I think he has a line on a couple that's "on the market"

T.

well  my  nyc   buyer  is  DEFINITELY  NOT  READY  TO GET A WILLIAMS !!!
too impatient!!!!!   and  too cheep  !!!!!!!!!!!
   and  he  just  got  a  16m  at dillons  that he likes
anybody  who  will be satisfied with less
   is  TOTALLY  UNQUALIFIED 

I'll trade you a NY8 for it DJ ........... 

Right now 2 different on e-Bay from one seller:

Earl Williams Model 4 Trombone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Model-4-Trombone-/290464479002?pt=Brass_Instruments

Earl Williams Model 6 Trombone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Model-6-Trombone-/290464478279?pt=Brass_Instruments

I think that seller is a forum member from Hawaii.

ya  think  !!!!!!!!
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word is  one  sold  [  from la]



Quote from: SilverBone on Aug 17, 2010, 04:55PMI think that seller is a forum member from Hawaii.

lol it's me

Well it sure as heck wouldn't be me!!!   

Aloha,
Richard

what an evening! just got home a little while ago from my storage unit in which i finally got to meet Chris Amemiya! what an amazing player and nice guy! i couldn't believe what he was able to do with the horns! i have never personally seen or heard anyone play like him. hearing and seeing someone play like that in person is just mind-boggling and life changing lol! hopefully he chimes in a little later with some reviews!