Earl Williams Trombone

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:54 pm

What about the nickle outers on my horn? Was that ever an option? Did earl ever use nickle tubes? Why is it I have a .522 bore horn with a 7 1/2 inch bell?

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:11 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on May 28, 2010, 06:33PMIs Bulwin still around?My search didn't come up with anything recent. I'd be surprised if they were still around after all these years.

ttf_octavposaune · Post by **ttf_octavposaune** » Sat May 29, 2010 10:08 am

Hello All,

Quinntheskimo has one of the model 10 bass in all nickel, including the bell and rotor tubing. The valve wrap looked very similar to the Olds GR and Conn 72H.

Quinn seemed to think it was a very rare option.

Dan is your trombone marked as an 8? You can cut a bell to any diameter on the original mandrel, or a seriously damaged flair could have been cut down. Food for thought.

Benn

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Sat May 29, 2010 12:06 pm

The .522 and the 7.5 bell were left overs from the Wallace days. They were made that way for a long time under the Wallace Williams name. Spike Wallaces horn was a straight .565 bore, no trigger tenor. Imagine how huge and crazy that was in 1928? I have seen nickel tubes before, only one or two like that. Most horns under Wallace were Gold plated or Silver, brass was rare for the late Wallace horns. The beginning of Williams horns were brass and stayed that way to the end. There was a couple of Silver and gold but not many Williams were that way.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Sat May 29, 2010 6:24 pm

Ben, My horn is marked with an "L" above the serial number. I am VERY certain it was never cut down.

I took it to Dan Oberloh's today. Gladly he said it didn't need any work.

I also let two VERY qualified professional players test it out. Ed Ulman, and Chris Amemiya. They both thought the horn was great. And they both sounded awesome on the horn. We took some video of Chris for the world to hear how this one sounds in front of a pro player. It should be up for viewing soon.

Also I think the outers are original. The horn was refinished at one point in it's life, Perhaps the 50's but even Dan said the person who did the work did a nice job. It really is a thing of beauty. There is some spotting on the bell flair with some minor loss of lacquer, but all in all it is fine.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sat May 29, 2010 6:29 pm

Hi Dan,

I'm glad you're going to post the video. I'd love to hear your horn and I always enjoy listening to Chris play.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Sat May 29, 2010 6:31 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on May 29, 2010, 06:29PMHi Dan,

I'm glad you're going to post the video. I'd love to hear your horn and I always enjoy listening to Chris play.

Aloha,
Richard

Yes he has some talent. He also has the video so we will have wait for him to put it up.

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Sat May 29, 2010 10:17 pm

Quote from: octavposaune on May 29, 2010, 10:08AMQuinntheskimo has one of the model 10 bass in all nickel, including the bell and rotor tubing. The valve wrap looked very similar to the Olds GR and Conn 72H.

Quinn seemed to think it was a very rare option.Pretty much any configuration of 10 is a rare option...

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:26 pm

http://sharing.theflip.com/session/a74ca21664802754e8aba8e470bf06dc/video/14517394

Thanks again Chris! Very nice!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:06 am

Hey! Cool! Thanks Dan and Chris.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:10 am

Since there's been some discussion about cases for Williams trombones and since I said I'd post pictures of the coffin case that came with my '71 Burbank 6, here are a couple of shots.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Sun May 30, 2010 1:17 am

Quote from: Dan Martin on May 29, 2010, 11:26PM http://sharing.theflip.com/session/a74ca21664802754e8aba8e470bf06dc/video/14517394

Thanks again Chris! Very nice!

My pleasure. You got a beauty. It plays really well too. If I didn't know it I wouldn't have pegged this as a .520 horn since it feels smaller and has a remarkably quick response. The wider width of the slide gives it away though... and of course one can honk some pretty low notes with good resolution because it is a .520 bore. The overtone series seemed similar to my Williams 6, though upon listening to the vid I notice that I'm a tad flat on the Gs above the staff. I am playing on an old Bach 9 (NY) mouthpiece which seemed to be a pretty good match for this horn. I think this horn would be great for lead work in a big band and for solo work too. Dan, you done good! I am quite envious.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:13 am

BIG NEWS ////////BACHORNDOCTOR SCORED THE WILLIAMS factory parts etc from tulsa

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:01 am

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jun 07, 2010, 10:13AMBIG NEWS ////////BACHORNDOCTOR SCORED THE WILLIAMS factory parts etc from tulsa
What's up w/ John Dudda? Is he still piddling with them too?

T.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:11 pm

hit face book
mike corrigan /
there are pics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i bought a bach bass case couple of weeks ago -listed on the bay
supposedly duda heading to oregon ?????????

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:22 pm

from mike's facebook yesterday:

Mike Corrigan Didn't want to announce it prematurely (to avoid more competition from showing up...) BUT Andy and I went to the Calicchio/Earl Williams bank foreclosure auction yesterday and we scored some amazing pieces of history!! We'll continue using some equipment that has been being used since the 1920's to create superb hand crafted brass instruments. We also have hoards of original parts!

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:00 pm

who got the bell mandrels???????????

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:24 pm

^ now that is the million dollar question.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:38 pm

John Duda still has all the mandrels and tooling for Williams horns. He left junk behind that he did not have room for. Nothing could be manufactured with what is left. The bells from Donelson and some other misc junk left behind. At least somebody got it that appreciates what it is!

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:41 pm

guess we will just have to wait until Mike tells us what he got.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:10 pm

john must still have name/rights etc ////

donelson bells //looks like about 30 flares piled up in the back of the van
wood drawers w parts out of earls workbench
lotsa misc ///////////
did getzen do the donelson flares ????????????????????????????????

Quote from: jnoxon on Jun 07, 2010, 02:38PMJohn Duda still has all the mandrels and tooling for Williams horns. He left junk behind that he did not have room for. Nothing could be manufactured with what is left. The bells from Donelson and some other misc junk left behind. At least somebody got it that appreciates what it is!

ttf_Koz · Post by **ttf_Koz** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:27 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jun 07, 2010, 04:10PMjohn must still have name/rights etc ////
Nope.

It was Bart and Carol Dalton

Now it's just Carol Dalton.

koz

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:16 am

Don't forget that in side-by-side tests, the Kanstul Model 1606 often compared more than favorably to vintage Williams trombones, and is said by many to be superior to the modern Williams 6 (with all due respect to our gentlemen competitor from Tulsa, et al).

all the best!

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:01 am

regardless of what was saved and what gets done with it, congrats to saving the stuff from the dust bin. There is a Jazz History in KC, perhaps something might fit in there if nothing else.

ttf_John Beers Jr. · Post by **ttf_John Beers Jr.** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:54 am

BAC's got a Williams 8 bell up on ebay right now, for whatever it's worth: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435719321&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

Oooh... and a 6: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435718625&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:08 am

Quote from: John Beers Jr. on Jun 09, 2010, 08:54AMBAC's got a Williams 8 bell up on ebay right now, for whatever it's worth: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435719321&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123

Oooh... and a 6: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435718625&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123
Wonder what they are worth?

Guess we'll find out!!!

T.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:36 pm

Don't miss the other three bells that are up! ;o) We have three SIX bells, a FOUR bell, and that EIGHT bell. :oP

--MC

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:14 am

Quote from: Mike Corrigan on Jun 09, 2010, 12:36PMDon't miss the other three bells that are up! ;o) We have three SIX bells, a FOUR bell, and that EIGHT bell. :oP

--MC
Discounts for TTF members??

T.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:32 pm

hey how do late 80's/early 90's "tennesse" williams 6 horns compare to earl williams and the kanstul 1606, and for that matter king 3bs and other new horns? thanks

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:26 pm

anyone interested in a Tennessee Model 4?

ttf_Piano man · Post by **ttf_Piano man** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:09 am

Quote from: powerandfinesse on Jun 18, 2010, 10:32PMhey how do late 80's/early 90's "tennesse" williams 6 horns compare to earl williams and the kanstul 1606, and for that matter king 3bs and other new horns? thanks

The last three didn't write any plays.

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:20 am

or at least any award winning plays, isn't it possible that they may have written plays we don't know of

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:19 am

tennessee 6 available soon @ about 2800
burbank 6 -3800 plus

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Jul 12, 2010, 10:26PManyone interested in a Tennessee Model 4?

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:31 am

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jul 13, 2010, 10:19AMtennessee 6 available soon @ about 2800
burbank 6 -3800 plus

call me, collect, when you can knock off the last zero on those numbers

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:34 am

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jul 13, 2010, 10:19AMtennessee 6 available soon @ about 2800
burbank 6 -3800 plus

what would you price a Tennessee 4 at?

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:20 am

tenn 4 10-4 ha ha
guessing if it blows great over 3 g
as the latest 10-6 is asking 28
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burbank 4 have gone for as much as 8
though usually its around 4

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:11 pm

DJ>
How bout a LA 3 ?
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10K+?

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Not4 sale, just sayin/askin...
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How bout that Russian Spy Mission?
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What up with the Kansas Williams? Models?
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How's the Art Van? Hold up OK?
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Sent ya a couple e-mails the other day. What's the word?
6H is Grovy, but like the Recording much betta
Beater 42?

C-ya,
T.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:19 am

TENNESSEE 4 AND 8 =AVAILABLE !!!!!!!!!!!

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:08 pm

3 burbank 6s !!!!!!!!!!! on market !!!!!!!!
3000 euro
3500
and probably 3500

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:45 pm

Geez, prices on those Burbank 6's have sure shot up!

We should stop raving about the horns so much so that people won't know what they are.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_cozzagiorgi · Post by **ttf_cozzagiorgi** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:55 pm

3 on the market? There was one in the classifieds, where are the other two?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:37 am

Quote from: cozzagiorgi on Aug 10, 2010, 11:55PM3 on the market? There was one in the classifieds, where are the other two?
There was 2 on e-bay. Both buy it now's.

A Tenn 8 bell section, which sold....
and an old beater Wallace and Williams like Dan owned, but the dude wanted WAY to much for it (like $1,400 - it was beat up real bad). I don't think it sold.

Check w/ DJ.
I think he has a line on a couple that's "on the market"

T.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:39 pm

well my nyc buyer is DEFINITELY NOT READY TO GET A WILLIAMS !!!
too impatient!!!!! and too cheep !!!!!!!!!!!
and he just got a 16m at dillons that he likes
anybody who will be satisfied with less
is TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:46 pm

I'll trade you a NY8 for it DJ ...........

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:23 am

Right now 2 different on e-Bay from one seller:

Earl Williams Model 4 Trombone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Model-4-Trombone-/290464479002?pt=Brass_Instruments

Earl Williams Model 6 Trombone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-Model-6-Trombone-/290464478279?pt=Brass_Instruments

ttf_SilverBone · Post by **ttf_SilverBone** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:55 pm

I think that seller is a forum member from Hawaii.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:35 pm

ya think !!!!!!!!
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word is one sold [ from la]

Quote from: SilverBone on Aug 17, 2010, 04:55PMI think that seller is a forum member from Hawaii.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:51 pm

lol it's me

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:46 pm

Well it sure as heck wouldn't be me!!!

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:32 pm

what an evening! just got home a little while ago from my storage unit in which i finally got to meet Chris Amemiya! what an amazing player and nice guy! i couldn't believe what he was able to do with the horns! i have never personally seen or heard anyone play like him. hearing and seeing someone play like that in person is just mind-boggling and life changing lol! hopefully he chimes in a little later with some reviews!