Earl Williams Trombone

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:49 pm

ALERT!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Earl-Williams-trombone-with-F-attachment_W0QQitemZ290376838172QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBrass_Instruments?hash=item439bceec1c

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:42 pm

Oh boy...

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:46 pm

The sharks are already starting to circle. Come on, guys - someone take the first bite!

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:58 pm

Is it a model 7? or 9?

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:17 pm

Quote from: JohnL on Dec 02, 2009, 03:46PMThe sharks are already starting to circle. Come on, guys - someone take the first bite!
i would but i don't have the available funds

Quote from: Dan Martin on Dec 02, 2009, 03:58PMIs it a model 7? or 9?
7

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:20 pm

.500 bore w/f att. Make a nice lamp out of it

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:25 pm

If someone wants to give me 3 grand for my shires i'll buy it.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:31 pm

Quote from: Exzaclee on Dec 02, 2009, 04:25PMIf someone wants to give me 3 grand for my shires i'll buy it.

Get the seller to re-list it as a ten day auction. Put you shires up for seven. Then pray.

When ever I see a real nice (expensive) bone on ebay I feel like I need to sell three of the ones I have before I commit to buy a two thousand dollar plus horn on ebay. YIKES!

Too bad its not an 8 or a 6. I would seriously liquidate and upgrade.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:35 pm

It is a model 7 which is a .500 bore with an "F" attachment. It was made by Bob not Earl as evidenced by the serial number of 3065, and the round nickel crook. Great horn! And you are right the Sharks can smell a Williams in the water at 5000 miles. That is how far Hawaii is right Drew? Richard?

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:39 pm

^ haha, something like that lol! Anyways, I placed the first bid. I know I'm gonna get outbid anyways!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:03 pm

Man!!! I need to get one of those fancy phones so I can get on the internet while I'm at work!!! I just saw this and Dan posted the link hours ago! Besides, I'm still waiting for an 8 which I will have to pay for so happy bidding everybody!

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 pm

thats a fancy shires setup 4 sure
just got in one from west coast

Quote from: Exzaclee on Dec 02, 2009, 04:25PMIf someone wants to give me 3 grand for my shires i'll buy it.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:19 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Dec 02, 2009, 04:35PMIt is a model 7 which is a .500 bore with an "F" attachment. It was made by Bob not Earl as evidenced by the serial number of 3065, and the round nickel crook. Great horn! And you are right the Sharks can smell a Williams in the water at 5000 miles. That is how far Hawaii is right Drew? Richard?

Gee, John. I had to think about that one. In fact, I looked it up and 5000 miles from Hawaii to New York is about right! It's too bad my wallet's empty. I'll have to let Drew get this one.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:22 pm

Not bad for a guess!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:23 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Dec 02, 2009, 10:22PMNot bad for a guess!!

Hahaha... Great guess!!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:23 pm

Quote from: Exzaclee on Dec 02, 2009, 04:25PMIf someone wants to give me 3 grand for my shires i'll buy it.

I hate to say this Zac but 3 grand for a 7 might be optimistic. I have a feeling that the winner will have to add at least another grand or two to win that puppy, but I guess time will tell.

It's interesting that these rare horns are popping up all of a sudden.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:27 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Dec 02, 2009, 10:19PMGee, John. I had to think about that one. In fact, I looked it up and 5000 miles from Hawaii to New York is about right! It's too bad my wallet's empty. I'll have to let Drew get this one.

man, i don't think i'll have enough $$$$ to make a decent bid! i'm still recovering from buying that 9 last month and i don't think 6 days is enough time to get the scrilla

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:58 pm

See it is like this Drew, if, if you were married you could sell the wife and kids for a horn!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:23 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Dec 03, 2009, 02:58PMSee it is like this Drew, if, if you were married you could sell the wife and kids for a horn!!

ttf_sly fox · Post by **ttf_sly fox** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:44 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Dec 03, 2009, 02:58PMSee it is like this Drew, if, if you were married you could sell the wife and kids for a horn!!(emphasis added)

pretty sure that is illegal nowadays, in most countries outside of a few in Africa, even if you are raising funds for such a worthy cause

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:33 am

Just out of curiosity, has anybody tried a Shires .500 leadpipe in a William 6? If so, which one worked best?

ttf_DaveAshley · Post by **ttf_DaveAshley** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:51 am

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Dec 08, 2009, 01:33AMJust out of curiosity, has anybody tried a Shires .500 leadpipe in a William 6? If so, which one worked best?
I'm using a Shires nickel #2 in mine. It took some getting used to, but I like it a lot. It does brighten the horn up a bit, but it centers a little more than it does with a brass pipe.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:12 pm

Richard,

I am so sorry I started you on this lead pipe hunt. It seems to have affected you mental status....... lol

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:17 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Dec 08, 2009, 12:12PMRichard,

I am so sorry I started you on this lead pipe hunt. It seems to have affected you mental status....... lol

No problem!!!

ttf_john sandhagen · Post by **ttf_john sandhagen** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:18 pm

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:12 am

Lol!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:51 am

Quote from: DaveAshley on Dec 08, 2009, 06:51AMI'm using a Shires nickel #2 in mine. It took some getting used to, but I like it a lot. It does brighten the horn up a bit, but it centers a little more than it does with a brass pipe.

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the info. It appears that not many have tried Shires pipes in their Williamses. I'm going to have a Herrick pipe copied by Chuck McAlexander at Brass Lab. When Chuck sends me the copy, he's also going to send me, at my request, some of his own leadpipes to try. So then I wondered how Shires pipes work in a 6. I may have to try some one of these days.

John's right. This leadpipe thing is really playing with my mind.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:59 am

So who's the premier William's authority on the forum?

Looks like I just bought one, but don't know what model it is yet. Early one? Older one??

Should have it in hand in a week or so. Right now, a relative has it out of state - they picked it up for me today.

T.

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:11 am

Quote from: tsmart on Jan 07, 2010, 07:59AMSo who's the premier William's authority on the forum?John Noxon, hands down.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:13 am

Quote from: JohnL on Jan 07, 2010, 08:11AMJohn Noxon, hands down.
Thought so.

Sent him a PM with some pics I got on e-mail....

T.

ttf_cozzagiorgi · Post by **ttf_cozzagiorgi** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:26 am

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Dec 09, 2009, 09:51AMHi Dave,

Thanks for the info. It appears that not many have tried Shires pipes in their Williamses. I'm going to have a Herrick pipe copied by Chuck McAlexander at Brass Lab. When Chuck sends me the copy, he's also going to send me, at my request, some of his own leadpipes to try. So then I wondered how Shires pipes work in a 6. I may have to try some one of these days.

John's right. This leadpipe thing is really playing with my mind.

Aloha,
Richard

So Richard, what were your findings with the leadpipes?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:50 am

Here's some pics of my Williams. I won't have it in hand for a week or so, but my niece picked it up for me near her home in Fla (I spotted it on the internet).

Anyone know what model it is??

Single brace on tuning slide (with counter weight), instead of 2 braces that I normally see on Williams horns... Thoughts?

T.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:19 am

Nice Wallace!! May I ask what kind of a deal you got?

ttf_john sandhagen · Post by **ttf_john sandhagen** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:21 am

Small bore late Wallace and Williams, or early Williams...I'm thinking late W&W

Maybe a replacement slide?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:36 am

Quote from: Dan Martin on Jan 07, 2010, 10:19AMNice Wallace!! May I ask what kind of a deal you got?
I'd be ashamed to say. Apparently the old man and woman bought it sometime ago at a yard sale (of all places). They kept it for a good while (unused), and decided to get it out of there way. I pretty much stole it, for the price they were asking. The one DJ bought was high dollar, compared to what I paid (if that tells ya anything). But it found itself a good home now.

Any info on model, is appreciated.

T.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:42 am

This is the Hornucopia shot.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:52 am

Quote from: Dan Martin on Jan 07, 2010, 10:42AM

This is the Hornucopia shot.
Looks about the same, from what I can see.
Can't wait to get my hands on it, and more info.

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:22 pm

Wow!!! Great score, tsmart!!! From what I've heard, the Wallace Williams are great playing and sounding horns. I think you'll have fun with it.

Quote from: cozzagiorgi on Jan 07, 2010, 08:26AMSo Richard, what were your findings with the leadpipes?

Regarding the leadpipe for my new 6. I hadn't sent the Herrick #2 pipe to Chuck McAlexander for copying yet because I had a bunch of performances to do in December. Then on the day after the last concert, I pulled out my horn to practice and, just for the heck of it, I switched the leadpipes to one that I got from John Duda of Calicchio. It wasn't one of his standard pipes and he just threw it in when I bought his two standard pipes, the 6 and the 66. John said that he made it a long time ago and didn't remember anything about it but said I should see how I liked it. I found that it was very free blowing and I also found that it was more open and bigger on the high register than the Herrick #2. So now I'm wondering if I should even bother with copying the Herrick! I'll switch back and forth a little more before making a final decision.

In other news, I finally got the Calicchio 8 from John just before Christmas. The sound is awesome... Huge!!! Dark and very melodious. But!!! John cut the bell wrong and sent me an 8 1/8" bell instead of an 8 1/2". He was aware of the mistake and told me he would make me an 8 1/2" as soon as possible, so I thought I'd wait for it before saying much more. I'll be taking this horn to orchestra rehearsal on Tuesday night. I'm curious to hear what the conductor thinks about it.

Happy New Year, everybody. I hope you all have a great one!!!

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:09 pm

congrats troy //my guess is its probably a 485 bore / most popular size at the time
cant tell if its 7 or 7 1/2 ???????????????????????????
i had number 76 which was looking like a student horn !!!!!!!!!
john sent me a super pea shooter sub 485 bore
an alto looks big in comparison to that one
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copper arrowhead --very cool --org case ----------------good stuff -------
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actually more fancy than the much much later model 6 !!!!!!!
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the 1946 4 that is surfing now ------WOW WOW WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:03 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 07, 2010, 06:09PM-----
the 1946 4 that is surfing now ------WOW WOW WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? What?!!! What 1946 4?!!! Where?!!!

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:23 pm

you known dick drewitz//bjorn 4

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Jan 07, 2010, 09:03PMHuh? What?!!! What 1946 4?!!! Where?!!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:08 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 07, 2010, 10:23PMyou known dick drewitz//bjorn 4

No, I'm afraid I don't. Does he have a 4 for sale? I'm curious as to how much he wants for it, even though I probably can't afford it since I just bought two new trombones in the last couple of months.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:37 am

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 07, 2010, 06:09PMcongrats troy //my guess is its probably a 485 bore / most popular size at the time
cant tell if its 7 or 7 1/2 ???????????????????????????
i had number 76 which was looking like a student horn !!!!!!!!!
john sent me a super pea shooter sub 485 bore
an alto looks big in comparison to that one
-------------------------------------------
copper arrowhead --very cool --org case ----------------good stuff -------
-------
actually more fancy than the much much later model 6 !!!!!!!
-----
the 1946 4 that is surfing now ------WOW WOW WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks DJ. I put the hammer down on it pretty quick.

Can't wait to get it in hand, and get more details about it - and more pics.

Talk about the garage sale find of the Century!

T.

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:44 am

I think I see a squeeze clamp on end of the oversleeve on the upper slide; hard to tell from these pictures.

Here's a thread about a similar horn:
http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,45133.0.html

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:33 am

a 4 sold for 4000 ////////////then 8000
save your nickles !!!!!!!!

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Jan 07, 2010, 11:08PMNo, I'm afraid I don't. Does he have a 4 for sale? I'm curious as to how much he wants for it, even though I probably can't afford it since I just bought two new trombones in the last couple of months.

ttf_Ronobone · Post by **ttf_Ronobone** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:47 am

Nice thread!

I'm the owner of a #4 and a #6,
the #4 is in good shape, the #6 in fantastic shape, looks like it's made yesterday . . .
The #4 is my main axe, just love this horn, never played anything like it.
The #4 has sn 84* (I should have a look, don't know for sure)
The #6 . . . . . should get it out of the basement . . .

Therefore I'm thinking of selling the #6, this horn is just to good not to be played . . . .

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I remember a Williams Bass trumpet sold on eBay a few years ago, (now that is something else!)
anybody information on that one?

Thanks!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:30 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 08, 2010, 09:33AMa 4 sold for 4000 ////////////then 8000
save your nickles !!!!!!!!

Do you mean $8000.00?!!!! Holy smokes!!!! I guess I'll pass. I'll just play my 6.

Quote from: Ronobone on Jan 08, 2010, 10:47AM
I'm the owner of a #4 and a #6,
the #4 is in good shape, the #6 in fantastic shape, looks like it's made yesterday . . .
The #4 is my main axe, just love this horn, never played anything like it.
The #4 has sn 84* (I should have a look, don't know for sure)
The #6 . . . . . should get it out of the basement . . .

Therefore I'm thinking of selling the #6, this horn is just to good not to be played . . . .

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I remember a Williams Bass trumpet sold on eBay a few years ago, (now that is something else!)
anybody information on that one?

Thanks!

Lucky guy! I know the guy who has the Williams bass trumpet. He's a lucky guy too.

I'll get a 4 one of these days. They must be around in someone's attic or closet!

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:40 pm

troy's find is most likely a 485
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i have brokered 2 4s
they are hard to find !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
coulda had an 8 passed on it for 500 -------duh !!!!!!!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:39 pm

Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 08, 2010, 08:40PMtroy's find is most likely a 485
If I hadn't have noticed the brace on the slide, and took a "double take"..... then called and ask the maker - I would have missed it thinking it was a HArry Pedler or something.
I about fell out of the chair when she said it's a Williams

.
I said "Sold!!!"

T.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:28 am

If it is a 4 it is a .491 bore.....