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Quote from: salsabone on Nov 11, 2012, 05:35PMRichard,
All I can say about those most impressive pictures is....you need a bigger TV!!!!Maybe he doesn't watch TV - he just sits there admiring those horns instead.

Quote from: salsabone on Nov 11, 2012, 05:35PMRichard,
All I can say about those most impressive pictures is....you need a bigger TV!!!!

The criteria for the size of my TV was that I had to be able to lift and move it around by myself.  I couldn't do that with a similar sized CRT TV.   

Quote from: JohnL on Nov 11, 2012, 07:00PMMaybe he doesn't watch TV - he just sits there admiring those horns instead.

Actually I love watching old mystery movies.  I have a lot of Charlie Chan.   

Richard

Richard

that is some serious trombone PORN !!

the seller  sent  a VID  !!!!!!!!!!!



Quote from: dj kennedy on Nov 10, 2012, 08:57PMan interesting   w-w  has  appeared  --with provenance 
it is hoped the  owner will  post  the history  and
some   pics
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Quote from: vegasbound on Nov 12, 2012, 01:26AMRichard

that is some serious trombone PORN !!

Thank you.  Believe me, I have a good time with those horns.   

Aloha,
Richard

straight //8 in bell  //
possibly  a 500  or 522
mid 30s  ?????????? 
8 in bell    bell tuning
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played in orchestras   in us and on euro tours
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  all original  nice  finish 
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somebody  named  herald   in indy
 is the  probable   new owner 
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bjorn has  offered 2500   for  an la  6
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Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Nov 08, 2012, 03:19PMHi Everybody,

I promised to post some pictures of my Williams trombones so here's the first.  More to come later.

This is a family portrait of my Williams trombones.  From left to right:  Duda/Sandhagen 9, Duda 8 1/2" 8 bell, Burbank Williams 8, Burbank Williams 6 (my original horn bought in 1971), Frankenbone Williams 6 assembled by John Sandhagen (Donelson bell, Duda parts, King 2B+ slide tubes), Burbank William 4.  I play all of these horns, going from one to the other as my moods strikes me, but my favorite two are the Duda 8 1/2" 8 bell with Duda 8 slide, and the Frankenbone 6.  Both are very easy to play with great response and great tonal range.

Aloha,
Richard


Beautiful Richard.  Doesn't look like you need to buy any horns for the foreseeable future.  BTW, what did you do with your Williams 4?

Hi Chris,

I still have the 4.  I'm trying to fit it into my playing and may use it instead of my 6 when playing with the community band.  I would love to use the 4 in a jazz band but I guess it really shouldn't matter.  There are no jazz bands for me to play in at the moment. 

I use the 8 for orchestra.

Aloha,
Richard

anyone noticed this ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Earl-Williams-8-Trombone-Bell-Donelson-/230883687812?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item35c1bd7d84

Nice horns.

Looks like Richard and Chris snatched up all the Williams horns in the state of Hawaii.  No wonder I couldn't find any when I was going up there.

Happy thanksgiving to all.
Gregg

hey gregg

you can snatch up my la 6 
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Quote from: Three G on Nov 23, 2012, 01:00PMNice horns.

Looks like Richard and Chris snatched up all the Williams horns in the state of Hawaii.  No wonder I couldn't find any when I was going up there.

Happy thanksgiving to all.
Gregg

Anyone see this on Ebay? Selmer "Triple Threat" With Earl Williams Hand Slide.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Triple-Threat-With-Earl-Williams-Hand-Slide-/130809894175?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item1e74e0951f

I hadn't seen that one yet John.  Thanks for the link.  These Selmer bells with Williams slides are among the things that I wish we could go back and ask Earl about. 

What would your guess on date for this eBay slide be?  Early stick and ball water key and slide bow, no bell nut or slide lock, but later style single beauty bands at the bottom of the cork barrels?

It must surely be pre or during WWII?  The patent date for the later water key was 1945, granted 1948, right?  Don't you think this is likely a WWII issue horn?

The ad in the newspaper announcing this was from 1942 I think.....

Thats my old horn.  He wanted to put the slide with his bell.  Funny he said 50's to 70's. 

I have a dumb question. What's the deal with Earl Williams horns?

I've never played one, but they seem to be a near fetish object among people who have. I've played Bach, Conn, King, Olds, Blessing, and Getzen horns, but never any of the fancy ones like Rath, Edwards, Shires, etc. Most of the horns I've played were vintage (although some of them weren't vintage when I played them).

So my question is, how do the Earl Williams horns fit into the pantheon of vintage pro horns, modern Conns, Bachs and Yamahas, and modern custom horns? I can't afford to buy one and try it.

Williams horns would be analogous to Shires, Rath, or Greenhoe today - with the added cachet that you can't necessarily just run out and buy one, you've gotta find one first.

You williams collectors need this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Earl-Williams-Bass-Trumpet-1-of-2-or-3-Ever-Built-/290832683287?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item43b6fa9117



not mine just wanted to alert you anoraks to it .....go on you know you want it!!!

I have put my lips on that horn!!  I would own it if I was rich!! 

"FS: Williams 6 Serial Number 3### "Custom Made" - "Burbank Calif""

See classifieds.

Nosing around on ebay tonight and within the 1st 9 pages - 5 Williams Trombones & 1 Williams Bass Trumpet.
Seems kind of weird. You don`t see them very often them WHAMOO

it's all part of the game lol

Is this a common engraving on Earl and Bob trombones?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Earl-Williams-6-Trombone-/221175982463?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item337f1da97f

Quote from: Ellrod on Jan 11, 2013, 06:23PMIs this a common engraving on Earl and Bob trombones?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Earl-Williams-6-Trombone-/221175982463?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item337f1da97f
that's the same bell engraving that my LA model 6 had.

Quote from: Ellrod on Jan 11, 2013, 06:23PMIs this a common engraving on Earl and Bob trombones?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Earl-Williams-6-Trombone-/221175982463?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item337f1da97fAlso looks very similar in style to the Strickler trombones I've seen. I figure the two Earls used the same engraver.

Interesting that it's got a 7.5" bell; most Williams 6's have 8" bells.

Quote from: JohnL on Jan 11, 2013, 08:03PMAlso looks very similar in style to the Strickler trombones I've seen. I figure the two Earls used the same engraver.

Interesting that it's got a 7.5" bell; most Williams 6's have 8" bells.
I think it may have been an LA thing because the LA 6 I had, which just so happens to be the other 6 that's currently listed, also had a 7.5" bell.

Are there any general comments that can be made about the relative playing attributes of Burbank vs LA Williams?

TESTING  P3 6  -TULSA  DUDA /CALLICHIO  PROTOTYPE  BELL   

Who is testing it? Scott Bentall bought it from John Duda?

yeah  this  bell is really  different  --more  bass  --  fatter  more spready--lighter articulations  -
  wider spectrum  --looks  very very close to  burbank
trying with  heavier  la  slide and  lighter burbank 
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  the 1606 proto  and burbank  are  much immediate    hitting out  of center 
P3  is filling the    room   and still very full  at  ppp
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 so  maybe  more  of a ballad    than  hard hitting lead  bell
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  aaron  building  slide using shires 500    with the  oem   cork barrels -slide bow   ferrules  slide lock  from  duda 
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  outer  on burbank   much  lighter weight than  la 
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  the bell   liked  the  heavier  la slide
so  maybe  nickle upper    and brass    lower    outers 
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to replicate   burbank  --2b+   would  work
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  the  heavier  la  outers  --shires  lt brass
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placement   of the  slide grip is  higher on the la 
  and slight differences in grip feel  also
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 jiggs  or 100h    or   fabricated slide crossbbar 
and saturn   water key  finish out details 
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Quote from: jnoxon on Feb 05, 2013, 11:31AMWho is testing it? Scott Bentall bought it from John Duda?

Quote from: jnoxon on Feb 05, 2013, 11:31AMWho is testing it? Scott Bentall bought it from John Duda?

Hi, John. Yes I bought it. I spent the last day and a half with DJ trying both of his model 6 slides with P-3. My preference was for the more weighty LA slide so I'm gonna have Aaron Chandler use Shires lightweight tubes. As you probably know, Shires lightweight tubes aren't all that lightweight, probably real close to the LA slide weight.

I'm also taking a cue from my Inderbinen Piccola and will have the upper outer tube nickel and the lower outer tube brass. I also have the following Williams parts; upper and lower cork barrels, slide lock mechanism, male receiver, slide bow/crook with ferrules. This will make Aaron's job much easier. Aaron will make the curvy handbrace, the handslide brace, and bumper for the crook. Aaron will pattern the slide after the LA slide which had the braces set further back, closer to the mouthpiece, than the Burbank slide. I preferred that because it is nearly identical to my Kanstul 1606 prototype which is my every day horn.

The blow of this bell was much different than either of DJ's Williams. It has a huge velvety sound with a lot of overtones present. A veiled attack, and a gorgeous pianissimo. Though when I stepped on the gas she would really fire up. I chose to use a nickel upper slide tube to assist (hopefully) in more audible articulations.

This is an exciting project and I believe it will turn out beautifully. I've played several of Aaron's slides and they are magnificent.

thanks  for the email  about this  bell    i knew immediately   who it was for  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  one of those things  !!!!!!!!scott had been liking  the burbank    -well  his 1606  is very close 
    the  velvet  is  so far  away  --
so the  p3   is supposedly  a version of an existing  horn  ???????????????
  wish  i knew  more  about how  these  were  made  --banged out    --etc
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  the first  note   he blew   was  giant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   incredible 
 filled the  room 
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Quote from: jnoxon on Feb 05, 2013, 11:31AMWho is testing it? Scott Bentall bought it from John Duda?

Velvet, Mello Yello. Conn 6H meets Bach 16M says DJ. I think he's right!

Quote from: The Sheriff on Feb 05, 2013, 08:23PMAaron will make the curvy handbrace, the handslide brace, and bumper for the crookYou could probably get those from Duda too, or Kanstul.

With William Cork Barrels, which lead pipe are you going with?
Kanstual Cork Barrels (or Shires) would offer removable screw pipes... or are you going to "press fit" pipes? or soldered in?

Just curious...

Sounds like a cool project!

T.

Quote from: tsmart on Feb 06, 2013, 12:13PMYou could probably get those from Duda too, or Kanstul.

With William Cork Barrels, which lead pipe are you going with?
Kanstual Cork Barrels (or Shires) would offer removable screw pipes... or are you going to "press fit" pipes? or soldered in?

Just curious...

Sounds like a cool project!

T.

Duda didn't have any braces made up. No biggie. Aaron's curved braces are superb and he's gonna use a Jiggs handslide brace which is what I prefer. He'll make the bumper out of sheet nickel and the post for the rubber tip will be made of stainless steel. I'm also going with a saturn water key.

I prefer press fit leadpipes over threaded so that's what this will be. My Kanstul 1606 proto is press fit. I've been using a Kanstul H6 pipe for quite some time now. That could change with this Williams, but I doubt it.

LA 6 on eBay no reserve! Go get it! http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=271151917000&index=2&nav=SEARCH&nid=18066463088

Quote from: The Sheriff on Feb 06, 2013, 01:16PMI've been using a Kanstul H6 pipe for quite some time now. That could change with this Williams, but I doubt it.
The H6 seems to be popular.
Keep us posted if it changes or not.

Thanks for the info.
This has been a fun read.
Would love to see pics when done.

T.

Try the Kanstul HO leadpipe. It`s new and a .500 bore version of the H8. I have one in my 6H and it`s fantasic.

DJ you are welcome on the call for the bell. Glad it found a good home. Yes the P-3 is the one we floated around the country and let various people try. And yes it is the current horn we make.

scott called  this am  --so  only  more wonderment  --as the p3 seems so  much  different than
  the  burbank  and  la  -
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  it was one of those instant  deals  -intuitive flash  -
finding something you were lookng for  but not exactly didnt know 
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  the  first  note  --



Quote from: jnoxon on Feb 08, 2013, 11:56AMDJ you are welcome on the call for the bell. Glad it found a good home. Yes the P-3 is the one we floated around the country and let various people try. And yes it is the current horn we make.

Slightly off-topic. Do the Williams bells match up with the Kanstul 1606 slide sections?
Bob

Model 6 over at the brass exchange http://www.thebrass-exchange.com/catalog/earl-williams-6

I got sent this listing from a relative. I took my Williams horn in to the seller slightly before Christmas, and he does have spare parts bins that match Williams stock.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Williams-Model-Four-Trombone-New-Old-Stock-Read-Description-Details-/271153252009

Speaking of the horn, I may post pictures of it later.

Horn doctor selling a 6 on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burbank-Earl-Williams-Model-6-Jazz-Trombone-500-bore-AMAZING-SOUND-/251231388665?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item3a7e8ec3f9

Quote from: vegasbound on Feb 18, 2013, 10:11AMHorn doctor selling a 6 on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burbank-Earl-Williams-Model-6-Jazz-Trombone-500-bore-AMAZING-SOUND-/251231388665?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item3a7e8ec3f9The description says that the horn was "completely redone by BAC Horn Doctors" (sic), and the way the listing is laid out looks a bit like the way BAC Horn Doctor (aka Mike Corrigan & Co.) do theirs, but it's not BAC Horn Doctor selling. The listing says the horn is located in Salt Lake City, Utah and the seller is "The Horn Pros LLC".

After a few minutes using Google, I'm pretty certain who the seller is. He's known on the forum, but I'm not going to out him.

Quote from: JohnL on Feb 18, 2013, 01:24PMThe description says that the horn was "completely redone by BAC Horn Doctors" (sic), and the way the listing is laid out looks a bit like the way BAC Horn Doctor (aka Mike Corrigan & Co.) do theirs, but it's not BAC Horn Doctor selling. The listing says the horn is located in Salt Lake City, Utah and the seller is "The Horn Pros LLC".

After a few minutes using Google, I'm pretty certain who the seller is. He's known on the forum, but I'm not going to out him.

I know who it is as well. He contacted me when I first listed my 9 on eBay a couple months back. Think we'll hear from him?

Quote from: vegasbound on Feb 18, 2013, 10:11AMHorn doctor selling a 6 on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burbank-Earl-Williams-Model-6-Jazz-Trombone-500-bore-AMAZING-SOUND-/251231388665?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item3a7e8ec3f9
This is the horn doctor listing for a 6 http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=300861920963&index=8&nav=SEARCH&nid=59433821356

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Feb 18, 2013, 01:29PMI know who it is as well. He contacted me when I first listed my 9 on eBay a couple months back. Think we'll hear from him?Of him, yes. From him? Probably not. Not much, if any, upside in it for him.

Quote from: JohnL on Feb 18, 2013, 01:24PMThe listing says the horn is located in Salt Lake City, Utah and the seller is "The Horn Pros LLC".

After a few minutes using Google, I'm pretty certain who the seller is. He's known on the forum, but I'm not going to out him.
You had to google to figure him out? 
Same format he always used to use, and the same over pricing.
He didn't list "his brass tech" though, "like he had the tech in house" back before he went on his trip.

But.... He's back!!!!!  oh joy

Quote from: tsmart on Feb 18, 2013, 03:21PMYou had to google to figure him out?  I wanted to be sure; all the tells were there, but I'm a thorough guy.