Earl Williams Trombone

ttf_tbone62 · Post by **ttf_tbone62** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:46 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Aug 16, 2011, 02:48PMI hope it's a great player... But it probably is since it's a Williams.

Aloha,
Richard

One of these days I'll actually get to see one up close and maybe even try one out in person. Beautiful horns, for sure!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:24 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Aug 16, 2011, 02:48PMI hope it's a great player... But it probably is since it's a Williams.

Aloha,
Richard
Richard, you're right - probably is gonna be a good player (I hope).
I've got some plans... gonna cost a little money too, but can't wait to get the plan rolling.

It's a restoration candidate for sure.

Quote from: tbone62 on Aug 16, 2011, 06:46PMOne of these days I'll actually get to see one up close and maybe even try one out in person. Beautiful horns, for sure!

If you come to the GA Festival in a couple years, I hope to be there (and I'll have mine in tow). You're welcome to test drive 'em.

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:55 am

Hi tbone62,

Better yet, if you ever get to Maui, come over and check out my family of Williamses. I'm getting some work done on one of my slides right now but after I get that back I'm planning to take a family picture.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_tbone62 · Post by **ttf_tbone62** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:25 am

Richard,

Wow, that would be great! I've never been to Hawaii but it's on my list of places I want to visit. Maybe one of these days we'll get there. If we do, I'll be sure to say hi!

ttf_stanzabone · Post by **ttf_stanzabone** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:03 am

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Jul 29, 2011, 05:33PMHi All,

Well, I promised someone that I'd post some pictures of my Burbank 8 so there they are. I'm sure loving playing this horn.

Aloha,
Richard
Totally OT, but that's a sweet looking conrad-johnson amp, and is that a Thorens deck for playing those antique vinyl audio delivery systems? I used to have a similar rig, back in the day when I was a single guy, defending my country with my trombone. It was just a few decades ago...

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:07 am

Quote from: tsmart on Aug 15, 2011, 09:49AMMore updates to come.

T.
As promised...

Serial number 6XX
Friction Fit
No slide lock.

Bell before pic...

Bell after pic....

Wrights Brass Polish + Elbow grease + TLC = good results.

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:30 pm

Nice picture, T. Oh yeah, the horn's nice too.

Quote from: tbone62 on Aug 17, 2011, 04:25AMRichard,

Wow, that would be great! I've never been to Hawaii but it's on my list of places I want to visit. Maybe one of these days we'll get there. If we do, I'll be sure to say hi!

Oh, absolutely! I would be very happy to meet you and let you play my horns.

Quote from: stanzabone on Aug 17, 2011, 10:03AMTotally OT, but that's a sweet looking conrad-johnson amp, and is that a Thorens deck for playing those antique vinyl audio delivery systems? I used to have a similar rig, back in the day when I was a single guy, defending my country with my trombone. It was just a few decades ago...

Good eye, stanzabone. You can see the conrad-johnson preamp but what you don't see is the custom made tube amp off to the left (6CA7 power tubes wired for triode mode and running in a Class A circuit). It'll probably be in the Williams family portrait when I get one of my slides back from John Sandhagen (it has lots of issues). The turntable is a Thorens TD160 Mk II and it has a Sumiko MMT arm with a high output moving coil cartridge. I wouldn't know where to turn if I ever need to replace the cartridge.

But I digress. I should try to blow some Shires, Edwards, and Rath horns so I know how my Williamses compare, but I certainly love playing my horns so maybe trying the others isn't such an issue.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:03 am

2 BURBANK 6 ---MAY BE AVAILABLE @3500 EA

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:41 am

Give you a Bach NY8 and a Mt V.6VII for the best one...........

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:56 am

good trade ---
these are for a buddy who has car trouble
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prolly listed soon on classifieds

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Oct 10, 2011, 10:41AMGive you a Bach NY8 and a Mt V.6VII for the best one...........

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:40 pm

Heres a great replacement slide for someone that needs an Earl slide. The one I have is .500 bore.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160680731208?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1431.l2649

ttf_John Beers Jr. · Post by **ttf_John Beers Jr.** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:33 pm

Is the Selmer Signet so terrible that every example needs to have its bell thrown away? I had this discussion with Troy back when he got his, but... it's an interesting curiosity of brass manufacturing in the US as well as military band equipment.

I hope this particular Signet will go to someone that intends to enjoy the horn as a horn and not as a slide with an extra bell to be thrown in the dumpster.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:01 pm

model 6 --tennessee available --2500
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ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:22 am

Quote from: John Beers Jr. on Nov 16, 2011, 03:33PMIs the Selmer Signet so terrible that every example needs to have its bell thrown away? I had this discussion with Troy back when he got his, but... it's an interesting curiosity of brass manufacturing in the US as well as military band equipment.

I hope this particular Signet will go to someone that intends to enjoy the horn as a horn and not as a slide with an extra bell to be thrown in the dumpster.

I kept mine orriginal. You don't need to throw out the bell to swap slides.

ttf_John Beers Jr. · Post by **ttf_John Beers Jr.** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:53 am

Quote from: Dan Martin on Nov 17, 2011, 08:22AMI kept mine orriginal. You don't need to throw out the bell to swap slides.

Ok, fair enough. For some reason, I feel like Troy had to swap out the slide connector on his to get it to fit his "pre-4".

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:13 pm

Quote from: John Beers Jr. on Nov 17, 2011, 08:53AMOk, fair enough. For some reason, I feel like Troy had to swap out the slide connector on his to get it to fit his "pre-4".

That was me. I tried it ou cuz I was curious how it would sound on my 8. Spent 100 bucks to have a new tenon made at OBEELOGH. Switched it back.

ttf_Ellrod · Post by **ttf_Ellrod** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:03 pm

I got my Bob 6 back from Mike Corrigan this past weekend and had a chance to play it at a rehearsal tonight. The boys at BACHorndoctor did a very nice job restoring it. Maybe it's the clean car runs better thing but it played beautifully, better than I remember. Suddenly I was thinking why do I need my Shires? Thanks to Mike and the gang.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:01 pm

Hi Ellrod,

By any chance, do you have before and after photos? If so, can you post them?

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Ellrod · Post by **ttf_Ellrod** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:35 pm

Maybe Mike can post some (he sent some "durings" to me). I don't have any myself.

R

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:30 pm

I have a real nice L.A Arrowhead counter weight .522 bore nickel outer slide Earl Williams Trombone. I want to sell it. Whats it worth? Its in very good condition. The slide is at least a 9 No dents to speak of. Original case. Offers welcome

I put this here because it would end up here anyway.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:27 pm

Looks like its sold.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:04 pm

Dan,

How did you determine the year was 1938 or 1939?

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:48 pm

did anyone here win this?!?! it's the first i've seen.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item4ab2cdb7d0&item=320827406288&nma=true&pt=Brass_Instruments&rt=nc&si=a4lubByz%252BmEiCmX7bL0bBxzbRH0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:55 pm

Sure wish I had seen it....... Oh well you snooze you lose.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:02 pm

^same here.

ttf_Joe Jackson · Post by **ttf_Joe Jackson** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:17 am

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130652080097&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Looks like a Burbank 6

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:23 am

Yup, sure does!

ttf_DaveAshley · Post by **ttf_DaveAshley** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:28 pm

It sure is - serial 1151. Mine is 1055 and Slyde Hyde said he got it in 1964. And what is that mouthpiece? It kind of looks like an Almont.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:16 am

I bid 17,000 dollars on it so don't even bother trying to win it. I sold every trombone I have but two and kept all the money I have in my Pay Pay account so I coulld get this if it ever came up. So just forget about even trying. okay????????

Not really!

ttf_Titus62 · Post by **ttf_Titus62** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:25 pm

Quote from: Joe Jackson on Feb 21, 2012, 12:17AM http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130652080097&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

Looks like a Burbank 6
I have questions about this particular horn. It looks like there may be two small patches or red rot just inside the hand slide ring just proximal to the hand slide crook (not the larger pink patch farther up).

Since these horns go for thousands of dollars now, the bidders should probably insist on a thorough inspection by a good brass horn technician before jumping into this auction.

The seller does give a 3 day inspection, but for this kinda money, I'd want an inspection before I bid.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:55 pm

I dont think that small of an area would be a huge concern on a 50 plus year old horn. If it was a newer horn that could be an issue. Looks minor to me.....

ttf_Malec Heermans · Post by **ttf_Malec Heermans** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:16 pm

Quote from: Titus62 on Feb 22, 2012, 03:25PMI have questions about this particular horn. It looks like there may be two small patches or red rot just inside the hand slide ring just proximal to the hand slide crook (not the larger pink patch farther up).

Since these horns go for thousands of dollars now, the bidders should probably insist on a thorough inspection by a good brass horn technician before jumping into this auction.

The seller does give a 3 day inspection, but for this kinda money, I'd want an inspection before I bid.

I would say the dent in the bell throat is more of a concern. That one's a doozy.

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:25 pm

That will come out pretty easy I think. That small of an area of red rot should not be an issue either. I have a couple of horns with bigger areas than that. And they play just fine. Old age will get me before the rot gets the horn! Looks like a decent horn, I hope it finds a ood home. Looks like the feeding frenzy has begun.

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:29 am

The bell throat dent is what i was concerned with as well... and the seller has represented it well enough in the pics that I'd have a good idea of what I'm getting.

I had to bow out early... no paychecks from the school since december. come Feb 28th, i'm cleaning ebay out

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:33 pm

That dent is NOTHING!!! You should see what Oberloh does with a tuba that has fallen of a stage od one that was run over with a car. Really That dent is minor. Sure its far up on the throat but that really wouldn't matter to a tech that knew what he was doing. And I have no idea how anyone can determine that that spot is actually red rot without looking at it in person. I would swear that some here are just trying to make others not want to bid on the horn to keep the price down. I can take a piece of green on brass and make it look red in about three seconds. And it aint red rot!! Period! Sorry but I just hear a bunch of malarchy.

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:46 pm

Sounds like a wardrobe malfuntion to me.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:15 pm

Ya lost me Doug. I may get it in a few hours though. Yes, I'm slow.

ttf_Titus62 · Post by **ttf_Titus62** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:34 pm

Quote from: Dan Martin on Feb 23, 2012, 06:33PM...And I have no idea how anyone can determine that that spot is actually red rot without looking at it in person. I would swear that some here are just trying to make others not want to bid on the horn to keep the price down. I can take a piece of green on brass and make it look red in about three seconds. And it aint red rot!! Period! Sorry but I just hear a bunch of malarchy.
I agree Dan. "I have no idea how anyone can determine that that spot is actually red rot without looking at it in person." But those small pink circular patches I mentioned look like red rot without the small red spot in the Middle.

I have no interest in keeping the price down on any Earl Williams trombones as they are way, way outta my league!...I would, however, be interested in keeping th price down on any Bach LT16s that are for sale.

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:00 pm

You edited it... when I saw your post you had left an s of off brass.

Quote from: Dan Martin on Feb 23, 2012, 06:33PMI can take a piece of green on bras and make it look red in about three seconds.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:06 pm

Doug. I'm using my 7 year olds computer and the keyboard is so full of cookie crumbs and garbage I don't get half the letters I push. The other half are just poor vision with my 51 year old eyes on this tiny monitor. Good excuse Dan!!!

That and too lazy to use the spell check.

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:56 pm

Dan, do you have a personal interest in this horn? Methinks thouth doth protesth tooth muchth.
Quote from: Dan Martin on Feb 23, 2012, 06:33PMThat dent is NOTHING!!!

well it's something, or it wouldn't be so noticeable.

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:16 pm

Look. That dent wouldn't even affect the way it plays. In regards to how serious it is, and how much it may cost to repair. Its nothing, compared to the value of the horn. The only deal breaker on a Williams horn for me would be if the tubes are shot. Unless you can find OEM tubes, the horn is fine. That dent would cost maybe 200 bucks to fix, if that. The dent machine and a decent tech and it would be good as new. Now if the engraving was smashed in that might bug me, but that can even be fixed. I'd bet dollars to donuts you could take it to Oberloh in Seattle on a Saturday and sit there and watch Dan fix that dent in just a couple hours,if that. People put way to much freak out factor on a dent in a bell. Now it is a little high up, but it CAN BE FIXED!!! Heck, if the tuning slide was smashed half flat I would care less. I've seen dented cork barrels resurrected. That horn will sell for over 3 thousand dollars, and rightfully so. If it was me I would drop 3 grand on it in a heartbeat and spend another 1000 on it and not even bat an eye. How much does the best custom Shires cost?? This horn is worth at the very least that much. If I hadn't just dropped 5000 bucks into my motor rebuild I would own that model 6. Bet on it.!!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:25 am

Regarding slide tubes, it shouldn't be too much of a problem to replace them. John Sandhagen used King 2B Plus tubes to make me a slide for my Frankenbone 6.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:33 am

No disrespect Richard, But it's my feeling that even though King / H.N White made great tubes, they ain't Earls , but to your defense, How does anyone know that the Williams tubes on their second hand purchase, or even 4th hand purchase will come with actual Earl Williams slide tubes? So much has been proffered as to what actually makes Earls horns so great. My feeling is that its a combination of the tubes and the bells. How he drew his tubes was exceptional. I think King tubes are probably the next best thing that I have ever come across, but I never tried many other makers stuff.

Say Howzit to Maui for me!! Eat lots of Spam!!

ttf_john sandhagen · Post by **ttf_john sandhagen** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:26 am

If Earl's were available I'd have sent it to him...

ttf_bonearzt · Post by **ttf_bonearzt** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:18 am

Quote from: john sandhagen on Feb 24, 2012, 07:26AMIf Earl's were available I'd have sent it to him...

Hmmmm.....Did he actually draw his own tubes?

Eric

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:20 am

Unless I'm mistaken, yes, he did draw his own tubes.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:32 am

corrigan has earls drawing equipment now

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Feb 24, 2012, 08:20AMUnless I'm mistaken, yes, he did draw his own tubes.

ttf_john sandhagen · Post by **ttf_john sandhagen** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:21 am

Yes he did draw his own tubes...among the best ever. I don't think it was the tooling...

ttf_Dan Martin · Post by **ttf_Dan Martin** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:54 pm

Quote from: Exzaclee on Feb 23, 2012, 08:56PMDan, do you have a personal interest in this horn? Methinks thouth doth protesth tooth muchth.
well it's something, or it wouldn't be so noticeable.

A personal interest? YES!!!! I want to buy it and I can't afford it so I want whoever buys it to pay a lot. LOL!!!!!

Not really. No, I don't have an interest in the horn. I do see a real misunderstanding about buying horns here though and I just want to share what I know. And I think people here are trying to scare others from buying it. I also want to educate others about just what is a deal breaker on a horn. I am one of the lucky ones. I got to, get to, learn from a great horn tech, Dan Oberloh in Seattle Washington. What so many think can't be fixed can, and in the case of a WILLIAMS trombone. ITS WORTH IT TO FIX IT!!! I would!!!! You need to look at the percentage of the cost to fix v.s. the value of the horn. Thats something D.J understands very well. I've seen the effed up bells and slides Dan Fixed for him. They are like new again. What more could you want!!!! Oh and before long old Danny Boy will be drawing his own tubes, I've seen the draw bench.