BTW, shires has the Marco Magi screw bell case On Sale for $400 at the moment. I just got one, and so far, I think it is awesome.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:04 pm
by elmsandr
jbeatenbough wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:12 am
BTW, shires has the Marco Magi screw bell case On Sale for $400 at the moment. I just got one, and so far, I think it is awesome.
Not sure if I noted this above, but I do have one of these for bass, and I like it, kinda.
Slide only works with Shires or Edwards length and width slides. No exceptions. No really, they just won't fit.
Bell section area is great. Does hold on my finger valve a little when I put it in the case, but not enough to cause any issues.
Still want to make something else, but never enough hours in the day to do something better.
Andy
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 8:46 am
by Druidman
Does anybody have any theories why Protec hasn't gotten into the screw bell game? Seems like they'd be a solid option based on the quality of their current lineup.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 7:42 pm
by jacobgarchik
Druidman wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:46 am
Does anybody have any theories why Protec hasn't gotten into the screw bell game? Seems like they'd be a solid option based on the quality of their current lineup.
and Bam, SKB, gator, Eastman...most all of them already make screw bell French horn cases.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 3:59 pm
by BigBadandBass
Chatname wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:18 am
Maybe already mentioned above, in that case I missed it:
Marcus Bonna also has a “baby” detachable bell case. Looks very compact. Does anyone have any experiences with it? How does it compare to Bonnas regular detachable bell case?
I have the bass version! It’s great, crazy small and dense. I was gonna make a separate post comparing it here after my graduation
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 4:00 pm
by BigBadandBass
pompatus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:56 am
Ooh, that MB baby case for detachable bell is new! I wish they had a bass version listed.
Jlandress has or had a posting, I’m pretty sure I bought the only one they had
Cut bell bass case
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 3:31 pm
by Jbeckett
What are the best options and any non-standard options? Bonna, Bags, just looking for something different
Re: Cut bell bass case
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 3:52 pm
by Burgerbob
Bonna is the best.
Re: Cut bell bass case
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 4:01 pm
by harrisonreed
Is it possible to just merge and sticky this topic?
A diversion on this thread motivated me to investigate a perceived issue with my Marcus Bonna screw bell tenor case. While the materials and construction quality seem excellent, in my short time with this case, I have felt anxious about how close the slide and the F-attachment thumb pad come to each other. Thankfully, I have not experienced any damage, but in that thread bbocaner reported damage that they attributed to the case design.
This motivated me to take a more critical look at how the trombone parts fit into the case. The Marcus Bonna screw bell case uses a system of re-positionable foam blocks secured by Velcro-type strips. This allows us to customize the way the bell section is cradled. Until this morning, I had the bell flare as close to the end of the case as possible, under the idea that the flare would move less if the case fell on that end. However, the consequence of that position is that the bell flare raises the bell section higher in the direction of the slide compartment. Adjusting the bell flare+cover an inch towards the right means that it intersects the bell stem where it's narrower. This allows the bell section to sit lower in the base of the case. This also further lowers the thumb pad, giving more clearance to the slide.
The slide is held about 1/2" deep within the lid, and now the F-attachment thumb pad peeks over the rim by only the smallest amount, I'd estimate <1/8". With the bell section secured by the sturdy Velcro strap, any jarring that would decrease that margin would probably result in more widespread damage than merely the thumb paddle denting the slide.
I also asked the manufacturer about my concerns, and André Bonna quickly and kindly addressed my concerns. He confirmed my observation that the slide is inset within the lid and the bell section is inset within the lower portion of the case. He also pointed out that the case design intentionally places the lever near the midpoint of the slide tubes.
All in all, after adjusting the bell flare so the bell stem section sits lower, I've gained some confidence in the design of the Marcus Bonna screw bell case. I will be sure that each time I place the bell stem section in the case that it's snuggled down to the floor as far as possible.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 3:12 pm
by mbarbier
Jumping on TexHipp's comment, I've made a few mods to the Bona case that, to me, make it feel a bit more secure. Agreed with above comments that it works great but I also find it's got a bit of (quite correctable) wiggleroom. Disclaimer of I've had no issues of my horn getting damaged through a ton of travel and really love the case, also just ever paranoid about damaging my horn.
On the bell flair side, I don't really love that the bell flare is just sitting there empty and could potentially move, so I cut a piece of foam to fit around it to keep it more stable. It also allows a rubber plunger to fit under the flair with everything still fitting flush. Feels more secure to me to have the flair filled and one more thing I can keep in the case.
I also find the slide has a decent bit of side to side wiggle room, at least for my fairly narrow conn slide, so I added a small Velcro strip that holds it more tightly flush against the foam stopper that's there.
I don't have a lot of experience with screw bell cases. But I thonk those coming with the Y-Fort trombones are really good:
I'll gladly take more pictures if you want to see more.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:41 pm
by SamBTbrn
SwissTbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:58 am
I don't have a lot of experience with screw bell cases. But I thonk those coming with the Y-Fort trombones are really good:
I'll gladly take more pictures if you want to see more.
Any Chance of posting a full review of the Y-forts?
It's been hard to find any information about them besides the website and Aidan's video on them.
Best
Sam
SwissTbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:58 am
I don't have a lot of experience with screw bell cases. But I thonk those coming with the Y-Fort trombones are really good:
I'll gladly take more pictures if you want to see more.
Any Chance of posting a full review of the Y-forts?
It's been hard to find any information about them besides the website and Aidan's video on them.
Best
Sam
I have played on an Y-Fort yellow brass screw bell exclusively since October. It's definitely a really nice horn. Plays a little clearer than what I'm used from my Bach 42's, but the sound is very malleable - I like that. The valve is really good. No stickiness at all. Not as open as a Thayer, but a good compromise of openness and resistance. I'd like the throw to be a little shorter. But you can get used to it.
The slide is ok. A little noisy, but when clean and well lubricated it's still very good.
Bonus points for projection: I really have to be aware of that. Work smarter, not harder.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:51 am
by EZSlider
What is the smallest case a available? Just got a Yammy 891z with a screwbell.. looking for a case made for a straight small jazz horn.
If anyone knows of a non standard case I'm all ears too
EZ
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:47 am
by muschem
EZSlider wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:51 am
What is the smallest case a available? Just got a Yammy 891z with a screwbell.. looking for a case made for a straight small jazz horn.
If anyone knows of a non standard case I'm all ears too
EZ
jacobgarchik wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:43 am
The smallest cases I believe are the Lawler soft case and the Holton flat case.
Thanks but I guess maybe I needed to clarify looking for something that can actually be purchased
EZ
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:18 pm
by BigBadandBass
EZSlider wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:25 pm
Thanks but I guess maybe I needed to clarify looking for something that can actually be purchased
EZ
Bonna baby case may smallest and easily purchasable on the market
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:02 pm
by jacobgarchik
I think those cases from Peru are cheaper than Bonna and around the same size...I have heard it's relatively easy to order from him but have not done so. I think you will need some Spanish language skills. Maybe a good way to save a $100 or so! his cases look cool. https://www.facebook.com/estuches.Jonny.Villena
I like mine. It was kind of a splurge, price-wise, but once you've decided to go with a cut bell, you're already pretty invested, so why not? I did have the pleasure of fitting it into one of those weird over-head spaces where they store the first aid gear and other stuff. None of the rollie-bags fit, but my case tucked right in.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:00 pm
by jacobgarchik
From Littin comes a viola shaped case with a glossy exterior.
Burgerbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:40 am
I currently have a prototype from a big maker... Stay posted
Oooooo
We're listening
EZ
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:14 pm
by EZSlider
Still listening
EZ
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:43 am
by Inversion64
I recently bought some cases from BrassGalaxy
Bass fiberglass and an all new screw bell for my cut bell Yamaha.
Wait time was 6-12,weeks since all hand made in Spain and Brazil.
Beautifully made too.
There is a new screw bell bag coming very soon from Europe
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:39 pm
by bassbone1993
Inversion64 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:43 am
I recently bought some cases from BrassGalaxy
Bass fiberglass and an all new screw bell for my cut bell Yamaha.
Wait time was 6-12,weeks since all hand made in Spain and Brazil.
Beautifully made too.
There is a new screw bell bag coming very soon from Europe
Pictures?
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:00 am
by SackbutRoyale
Are any of the cases listed hard shell cases? Or are they basically gig bags?
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:02 am
by Burgerbob
SackbutRoyale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:00 am
Are any of the cases listed hard shell cases? Or are they basically gig bags?
I'm not sure if any of them are gig bags, most are hard cases.
SackbutRoyale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:00 am
Are any of the cases listed hard shell cases? Or are they basically gig bags?
I'm not sure if any of them are gig bags, most are hard cases.
Thanks! That's what I needed to know. I'm about to purchase a Yamaha YBL-835GD, and for some reason, Yamaha doesn't provide cases for those horns! In fact, from the unboxing videos I've seen, they don't provide cases for ANY of their bass trombones! I wonder why that is?
I'm not sure if any of them are gig bags, most are hard cases.
Thanks! That's what I needed to know. I'm about to purchase a Yamaha YBL-835GD, and for some reason, Yamaha doesn't provide cases for those horns! In fact, from the unboxing videos I've seen, they don't provide cases for ANY of their bass trombones! I wonder why that is?
They do for the uncut bells, but they didn't develop a case for the D models.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:11 am
by SackbutRoyale
Thanks for all your responses. I think I've made my decision. I appreciate you.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:52 pm
by JLivi
SackbutRoyale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:09 am
Thanks! That's what I needed to know. I'm about to purchase a Yamaha YBL-835GD, and for some reason, Yamaha doesn't provide cases for those horns! In fact, from the unboxing videos I've seen, they don't provide cases for ANY of their bass trombones! I wonder why that is?
I just talked to Yamaha reps today at the Midwest band clinic and they mentioned to me that players that order detachable bells are usually pros and have after market cases. And they also mentioned that if they bought a Yamaha detachable bell that they wouldn't want the stock case and would most likely upgrade anyway.
Also, I played the 835 today. It was a great horn!
SackbutRoyale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:00 am
Are any of the cases listed hard shell cases? Or are they basically gig bags?
I'm not sure if any of them are gig bags, most are hard cases.
There was a Lawler gig bag.
There was a page on the Cronkhite site about a gig bag but with no picture. The page has been taken down. I don't think they ever made one.
Way back when I first was starting to investigate getting the screw bell I corresponded with Cronkhite himself about making a screw bell case and he said it wouldn't be a big deal once they figured out the pattern. By the time I got the work done to the horn he was gone.
I think Superfine made a case.
After owning a Basilli for 15 years, very similar to a Bonna, I've decided it hurts my back. I'll still use it to travel. I am a gig bag fan for around NYC unless i go on a plane. We really need some ergonomic options, like the cello players have, with lumbar support similar to a hiking backpack.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:49 pm
by tromboneVan
This is the case that I went with... fits a cut-bell alto, and tenor. The bells nest inside each other. Still in the process of getting my alto (and my bass) bells cut.. it would be a trip if my 180 fits in there.
Protec actually did one? The inside looks really similar to their MAX cases which I've always had issues with. AFAIK, no bass version yet.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:09 am
by Burgerbob
Yes, I had their prototype. Not a bad case, much larger than the Bonna style in length. Holds the horn well and is very light.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:46 am
by bassbone1993
Also looks a bit wider. Hopefully they'll be a bass version.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:51 pm
by Tatertotplaystrombone
bassbone1993 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:46 am
Also looks a bit wider. Hopefully they'll be a bass version.
I talked to the sales rep at the booth and they said they are working on a bass version. They said it will hit the market probably end of this year or early next.
Re: screw bell case roundup
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:31 pm
by jacobgarchik
Looks thick. Thickness is the key metric, IMO. Thickness is the difference between fitting in the little overheads or not, not length or width.
Anyway, baby steps. Only took them 10+ years of people asking. Where are BAM and Eastman, or for that matter, stock cases from Yamaha or Conn/Selmer/Bach?
(I am still waiting for a Cronkhite style gig bag without exterior detachable slide which I also believe is bad for plane success strategy)
