If you could have only 3 horns...

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:53 pm

Inderbinen Piccola: ordered, 13 months and counting.

Getzen 725 w/.547 single bore BbGF: Have.

Inderbinen Ballet Quart: double trigger same as Glenn Ferris'.

Hello Joe,
Thanks for the mail.
I have the F trigger for the thumb and the first finger trigger for Gb Db.
Enjoy your Inderbinen Bone.
Best regards, GLENN FERRIS

ttf_Dan H. · Post by **ttf_Dan H.** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:59 pm

For being such an advocate of Bb/G tenors, why on earth would you want a 2 valve medium bore tenor, not to mention neither valve being in G? That setup sounds like a bass bone that shrank in the dryer!

ttf_Dan H. · Post by **ttf_Dan H.** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:03 pm

Quote from: Dan H. on Jul 27, 2007, 06:59PMFor being such an advocate of Bb/G tenors, why on earth would you want a 2 valve medium bore tenor, not to mention neither valve being in G? That setup sounds like a bass bone that shrank in the dryer!

edit: no disrespect meant for Mr. Ferris, BTW. It works for him obviously, but impractical for most.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:39 pm

Quote from: Dan H. on Jul 27, 2007, 07:03PMedit: no disrespect meant for Mr. Ferris, BTW. It works for him obviously, but impractical for most.

I like what he does with it on Xactimo!

However trying Gb Db combo wouldn't be too risky since Gb could easily be cut to G or just buy a second tuning slide.

And this third horn will never actually materialize for me anyway. Just a whim because I like the sound and facility I hear. Especially the unison licks with the sax.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:27 pm

I think the restriction of 3 instruments is unfair for a person who doubles on tenor and bass because that has evolved into two different universes. If I had to cover both requirements with 3 horns, I'd be inclined to be pretty conservative:

- King 3B, which can work for big band and small combos.

- a 525/547 horn with F attachment -- the most versatile trombone. This can work in chamber groups, concert band and symphony. Getzen 725, for example.

- A bass trombone that is biased to the playing I'd expect to do. If I played more big band, I'd get a lighter one, such as a Conn or Kanstul 1662i. If I were doing mainly symphony work, I'd go with a heavy instrument, such as an Edwards with Thayer valves and the very heavy brass bell. If I wasn't sure, then probably a Bach 50.

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If tenor and bass playing could be considered separately, then for tenor, I'd go with that Getzen 725, a 3B, and a classic Conn valve trombone. A symphonic guy should substitute a good alto for that valve trombone.

For bass, I'd go with a symphonic (i.e. heavy) bass, a jazzier (lighter) bass and a tuba of some sort.

ttf_JJthetromboneteer · Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:31 pm

1) Jazz horn- .500-.508-ish, straight
2) Custom Large Bore tenor, F valve
3) Alto
If I had to pick a 4th it would be an inline valves Bass trombone or a compensating euphonium, probably the Bass. For a lot of the things i would like to do, bass is more practical...but since ive gotten more into classical such an alto sounds more appealing.

ttf_BlueTrombonist · Post by **ttf_BlueTrombonist** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:46 pm

1) Edwards - T302-1-9129CF
2) The oldest best condition New York Bach.
3) Edwards T327

ttf_SephoRa · Post by **ttf_SephoRa** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:48 pm

Quote from: SephoRa on Apr 01, 2007, 11:00AM1) Edwards B-454

2) Thein German Tenor Trombone

3) Edwards T350

the above 3 was my 1st wishes...

i've got 'em all since...

now i'm wishing for the next 3~

4)Thein Bass Bone

5)Thein Contra Bass Bone in BBb

6)Trombone that's borned the same year as me. 1977

cheers~

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:16 am

1. Edwards A265 (alto), not sure about what setup with that.

2. Edwards T-350 (have)

3. Edwards B-454 Bass (want)

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:02 am

Quote from: Bachbaby on Jul 28, 2007, 09:16AM1. Edwards A265 (alto), not sure about what setup with that.

2. Edwards T-350 (have)

3. Edwards B-454 Bass (want)

Then surely you should change your moniker to Edwardsbaby........

ttf_BFW · Post by **ttf_BFW** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:31 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Jul 28, 2007, 10:02AMThen surely you should change your moniker to Edwardsbaby........
But then his jokes wouldn't be baby Bach ribs.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:41 am

I love my 3 babies (not including student-models gathering dust)

1. Edwards T350 custom

2. Lawler (so pretty.... oh so pretty...)

3. Moog Theremin (not a trombone, but one of the funnest toys I've ever had)

ttf_KingofBlah88 · Post by **ttf_KingofBlah88** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:52 pm

1) Rath R2

2) Shires .547 w/ TruBore

3) Toss up between Shires bass w/ independent TruBore valves and Rath R9 w/ independent Hagmann valves

I've been salivating over Rath's website for the last couple days.

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:14 pm

Shires Large Bore Tenor with a Gold Brass bell

Shires small bore tenor

King 2B

I'd love to have a williams, but never having actually owned one or played one for long enough to tell if it suits me in an ensemble, it doesn't yet make the list.

Now if I could only have one horn? Shires Small Bore dual bore (500/508 or 500/525) customized to have a removable rotor. The everything horn for the guy that does mostly jazz latin and small group stuff with the occasional pit gig thrown in for torment.

ttf_trombonehawaii · Post by **ttf_trombonehawaii** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:42 pm

Tenor
-shires large bore with axial flow valve and gold brass bell (which I'm selling to get a bass)
-rath r3f gold brass bell, yellow tuning slide, bronze slide

Bass
-rath r9d dependent valve, all yellow brass

ttf_s3si1u · Post by **ttf_s3si1u** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:51 pm

So many choices....but if I really had to choose for what I play...
Rath R3F customized with a dual bore .500/.525 slide or King 3b/F
Rath R4F
King Duo Gravis

ttf_swilliams9922 · Post by **ttf_swilliams9922** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:46 pm

thien alto
Shires 547 factory
shires 525 I think, I forgot the bore

ttf_JJthetromboneteer · Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:53 am

Hmmm, I just looked at my response from 3 years ago, different from what I would choose today. Back then I was less serious about bass and didn't play alto at all.
1) Greenhoe Custom Large Bore Tenor
2) Greenhoe Custom Bass (Someday)

3) Thein Alto

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:27 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Jul 27, 2007, 05:12AMInderbinen Piccola
Conn 88H
Conn 62H

Honorary mention Shires .500

Say what?
Oh yeah, i already have them............

Wow looking at my old entry things have certainly changed........

My 3 main horns now are......

Shires 7GLW 7.75/T08 with seamed Yellow brass tuning slide. (Jazz Horn)

Shires 7YM/TW47 seamed rose brass tuning slide/Tru-Bore Valve.

Conn 62H Bass Trombone.

I play these 3 everyday!!!
Wouldn't mind exchanging the 62H for a Shires to complete the set though.

So if I could have only 3 horns, they would be IT as they are what I need to make my living.

I do have some nice collectors items that are my spares though

An original Larry Minick 100H.
A gold plated 1967 Bach 12 with customised slide.
A 1957 Bach Mt.Vernon NY6 VII.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:03 am

Not in any specific order....

Olds Opera - have

Olds Super - have

Olds Recording - have

Williams - have

George Roberts Bass - still searching....

Wait... that's more than 3...

T.

ttf_wgwbassbone · Post by **ttf_wgwbassbone** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:59 am

1. A king 2B SS
2. Elkhart 88H(I have)
3. An Elkhart 62H with Greenhoe Valves

ttf_sabutin · Post by **ttf_sabutin** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:20 am

I need four.

(Sorry...)

Shires .500 (regular weight bell [7.75", soldered bead, yellow brass] and slide, open leadpipe) for power lead work and playing over solos a loud big band.

Shires .508 (regular weight bell [8" gold brass, unsoldered bead] and slide, open leadpipe) for blending with damned near anybody .525 or smaller. Fine solo and lead horn, too.

Shires .525 w/ a Trubore valve (8" VE bell [Red brass, but a little lighter than most], regular weight slide, open leadpipe) for blending with damned near anybody .508 or larger. Also a great solo horn. Put the right m'pce in it and you are good to go in all but the most demanding orchestral settings as well.

Shire .565 bass w/ inline Trubores. Regular weight soldered yellow brass bell, regular weight slide, not quite (

) the most open available backbore.

OK.

I'm ready.

Where's the gig and what's the music like?

S.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:53 am

I have four, usually only use two.

Stealing Sam's format:

1975 Bach LT16MG .509 (heavier weight bell [7.5", soldered bead, gold brass] and lightweight silver-plated nickel slide, standard leadpipe) good for most tenor work. Bach 4C mouthpiece. Relegated to backup for:

1975 Bach Chocolate 36 .525 (heavier weight bell [8" yellow brass, soldered bead] and standard brass slide, standard leadpipe) for blending with nearly anybody, period. Preferred solo and lead horn. Bach 4C mouthpiece.

1983 Bach Chocolate 36B .525 (heavier weight bell [8" yellow brass, soldered bead] and standard brass slide, standard leadpipe) for blending with nearly anybody, period. Universal Trombone. Great solo and lead horn, can double as a bass. Bach 4C mouthpiece.

1970 Conn 60H .562 (9.5" bell [standard weight rose brass], regular weight slide, standard leadpipe) for blending with nearly anybody .525 or larger. Blends well with .500 Conn 6H. One smooth bass, also a great orchestral tenor. Conn 3B (Bass) mouthpiece.

With the 36 and the 60H, I am good to go with most anyone and any style.

If I am limited to one horn, the 36B is the one in my hands.

I'm with Sam.

Where's the gig and what are we playing?

ttf_Torobone · Post by **ttf_Torobone** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:09 am

.500 1965 Connstellation

.508 2009 Yamaha 891Z

.547 1974 Bach 42B

.562 King Duo Gravis.

I wish I could afford a .525, probably a Shires or Rath, to preserve my non-brand loyalty.

I would upgrade my bass as well. The others are set.

ttf_s3si1u · Post by **ttf_s3si1u** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:21 pm

Quote from: Torobone on Feb 09, 2010, 10:09AM.500 1965 Connstellation

.508 2009 Yamaha 891Z

.547 1974 Bach 42B

.562 King Duo Gravis.

I wish I could afford a .525, probably a Shires or Rath, to preserve my non-brand loyalty.

I would upgrade my bass as well. The others are set.

I have a 1974 42...i don't like it =[
Just doesn't fit me i guess...(not for sale though, just thought i'd mention it

)

ttf_Torobone · Post by **ttf_Torobone** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:16 pm

Quote from: s3si1u on Feb 09, 2010, 07:21PMI have a 1974 42...i don't like it =[
Just doesn't fit me i guess...(not for sale though, just thought i'd mention it

)
Over the years, I've had 2 or 3 offers for mine. I think quality was an issue on the build. Mine has had its defects repaired, and they weren't bad.

I'd have to pay a lot more for another .547. I'm not using it much right now, but I sub for a band where it makes sense on 2nd, or in an orchestra.

ttf_Lan · Post by **ttf_Lan** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:27 pm

I'm sorry, but Excalibur would go into storage...

Shires,.547,Axial, Rose Brass Bell, Wide Slide, DE LT103F8

King 3BF, .508, Silver Plate, Yellow Brass Bell, Hagmann convert, DE LT103C3

Schagerl Bass, Gold Brass, Conical Bore Slide, Sterling Mouthpipe, Silver and Gold Plate, DE SB108I8

But I would give anything to get my old Holton back, that little dinky TR602 got me through some rough times in Junior High, how I want it back...

ttf_s3si1u · Post by **ttf_s3si1u** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:37 pm

Quote from: Torobone on Feb 09, 2010, 08:16PMOver the years, I've had 2 or 3 offers for mine. I think quality was an issue on the build. Mine has had its defects repaired, and they weren't bad.

I'd have to pay a lot more for another .547. I'm not using it much right now, but I sub for a band where it makes sense on 2nd, or in an orchestra.

Same reason mine is a keeper. I can't afford another one. It's my main (and only) axe, it might not fit me, but it doesn't sound bad at all and it's all i can have at the moment, so it'll do until then.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:20 pm

Kanstul 1602
Bach 34 with lightweight gold brass bell and standard slide
Edwards T396-A

ttf_stanzabone · Post by **ttf_stanzabone** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:49 pm

Quote from: Paul Fleming on Jul 28, 2007, 10:41AMI love my 3 babies (not including student-models gathering dust)

1. Edwards T350 custom

2. Lawler (so pretty.... oh so pretty...)

3. Moog Theremin (not a trombone, but one of the funnest toys I've ever had)

Good to see another Thereminist in the crowd! I have a Paia I built from a kit - a box & a handfull of parts. Way labor intensive, but worth it in the long run. Still a member of the variable pitch family!

Back on topic, move along...

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:57 am

3BF Sterling
5B
7B

ttf_Burgerbob · Post by **ttf_Burgerbob** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:30 am

Get my 6H all ACME'd up (replaced crook, Kanstul H6 leadpipe, maybe get that gooseneck worked on, slide work) and I'll keep it forever.

I've played very few large tenors... but I'll take a Shires somewhat like my 42.

Not much thinking here- Greenhoe dependent bass. Not sure about the configuration past that, but you get the idea.

ttf_salsabone · Post by **ttf_salsabone** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:27 am

King 3BSS 100th Anniv. edition
Bach 42BO convertible
Yamaha 613H bass

Hey Lan,
I am confused about your 3BF - silver plate, yellow brass bell??

ttf_octavposaune · Post by **ttf_octavposaune** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:45 am

I have one of the 3 I would like to own if I could only have 3

Large bore tenor = Bach 42G with a Thayer valve I installed, straight neckpipe, removable pipes currently playing a Shires 2LG

Bass Trombone = A Greenhoe valved 60H or 62H, preferrably dependant. Hard call, I like 50Bs as well, nothing like and elky Conn! Maybe CR valves instead, have to play on the CR's more to assess which ones I like better.

Alto = Conn 35H TIS alto. I would sell my customized Weril in a heart beat to get one of those Conn altos.

Benn

ttf_Hank Lambert · Post by **ttf_Hank Lambert** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:58 am

Copper bell Schmelzer 1 (I have) or 30's Conn 12H with LT slide

HN White 3B Silver Sonic

6B Duo Gravis Silver Sonic with the triggers split

ttf_Duffle · Post by **ttf_Duffle** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:23 pm

Vintage:

Alto - Conn 35H
Medium Bore - Elkhart Conn 78H
Large Bore - Elkhart Conn 88H

Modern:

Alto - Shires (not sure of setup but probably something involving a lightweight gold brass bell and nickel outers)
Medium Bore - Rath R3 or Greenhoe Custom .525
Large Bore - Rath R4F (not sure whether Hagmann or Greenhoe) or Greenhoe Custom TIS (with Conn like specs) or Courtois AC440

ttf_Dukesboneman · Post by **ttf_Dukesboneman** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:14 pm

My real list....
Mount Vernon 36
1966 Bach 12
Custom 16M

My wish list.....
NY Bach 8G
1960`s 4B slver sonic
Elkhart 78H - with red brass bell/silver lt slide (I used to have this horn, dumb move)
or
King Dou Gravis 6B Silver sonic
Mount Vernon Bach 34
NY 16

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:26 pm

Extreme Yamaha fan here.
Besides the great YSL-682B I have, and the YEP-321, I'd want...

A YSL-872 Alto Trombone w/trill trigger
YSL-882O F large tenor
And a YEP-842S Custom euphonium

Georgous horns.
Wouldn't mind a Greenhoe bass though.. just saying. =]

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:37 pm

This is easy.

Earl Williams 4
Earl Williams 6 (which I already have)
Earl Williams 8 or 9 (probably both)

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Lan · Post by **ttf_Lan** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:06 pm

I'm revising my list...deal.

1. Bach 42G*, Thayer Valve, Standard slide. I really love that Bach sound lately
2. Conn 62HI, Really want a Conn, can't justify that 88H yet

3. TIE! Conn 88H Elkhart/Mt. Vernon Bach 42B/New Yammy Xeno

Never tried a Xeno, wonder if they are as good as their Xeno trumpets.
Kind of a trumpet dabbler(when your brother is a trumpet player, it happens)

ttf_fkin · Post by **ttf_fkin** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:54 am

^O^

my choice is:

1.bach42bos, silver plated
2.edwards T-350
3.edwards B-545

i own 1.and 2. now. in the progress of saving $ for 3.

Kin

ttf_svenlarsson · Post by **ttf_svenlarsson** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:25 am

If I hade to limit my horns to 3, I think I hade to stop doubling some.
No tuba. No alto. No largebore tenor. No sackbut.
Just two basses and one medium tenor.
Bass #1 Kanstul 1662 bass #2 Bach 45
Tenor K&H Bart van Lier model.

If I run into something better I will change my mind.

ttf_colin · Post by **ttf_colin** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:32 am

only 3 horns - not possible

ttf_savio · Post by **ttf_savio** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:11 am

I would have the two horns I already use. Conn 72h and Holton 180. Then I should wish I had a tenor. Maybe an old Conn.

Leif

ttf_fluor · Post by **ttf_fluor** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:08 pm

Hm...

I would need a large tenor of some sort. Greenhoe-Conn 88HT, with the custom nickel slide crook (wow these really make a big difference)

And I would need a smaller tenor. I don't really know what. I play on King 3B now, but i would rather have a good 6H, I think. Or maybe a .508 Yamaha?(I know the 6H is .500.
Or maybe a lighter medium bore? In that case my Kanstul 1588A. A little hard to play lead on, but the right mouthpiece could fix that problem

The third horn... Hard question... Euphonium? No. Tuba? Don't play that... It's either bass or alto. I earn some money of playing bass, but I haven't taken the time to learn much alto, yet, even though I'm going on tour in the fall on alto. If alto, my dream horn is the Shires alto, if bass - I want some Yamaha (so I don't have to practice haha). I like the Yeo-horn, but the 620G I play now is a little easier to play "commercial" / "rhytmical" music on, I think. And I will never be a symphonic bass trombone player...

SO:
Greenhoe 88HT
Conn 6H
A good Yamaha bass

ttf_NateR · Post by **ttf_NateR** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:00 pm

My Glassl alto. Definitely. Love that horn!
A Shires .547" tenor. Probably my current setup... maybe tweak a few things.
The third horn would be an old 88H, Elkhart vintage... that or an Alexander Bass trumpet.

ttf_Trombone Samurai · Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:29 pm

My Shires 547. Wycliffe's yamaha horn. And a conn or edwards alto.

ttf_amichael · Post by **ttf_amichael** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:34 am

My Shires 0.547 tenor (rotary valve, yellow brass slide, 1R bell) for orchestral playing. Hard to replace after the things we've done together.

My Shires small bore tenor 0.500-0.508, lightweight slide, yellow brass bell. Could probably experiment here but I won't outplay this horn in my lifetime.

An alto. I like my Bach a lot but could get interested in a Shires or something wonderful from Europe. Would like something with more stable intonation as long as it keeps me feeling as close to the trumpets and horns as this horn does.

And then I'd cry over my Bach 36 custom convertible, my bass trumpet, my solo alto horn, the Conn 50H I grew up on and a variety of horns I'd like to have (a valve trombone, a trombonium, a euphonium, a serpent, a sackbut). But the three above are the ones I perform on in the situations that matter to me the most.

ttf_tbarh · Post by **ttf_tbarh** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:55 am

3 basses for me ; (is that allowed ?)

1. My own Conn 70H `34 : snappy as a `500, dark as a Norwegian winter, loud as a weapon of mass destruction,soft as a blow in the ear etc.etc.

2. A double valve version of the above would have been nice !

3. A good 88H Elkhart with a good working slide !

Can I add : always good acoustically rooms to play in ?

Trond

ttf_nopos · Post by **ttf_nopos** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:47 am

My Holton 169 Bass - of all the basses I've owned and tried, both modern and vintage, this is THE ONE!
My Elkhart 88H - for doubling on tenor or as a small bass.
My Glassl alto - love the sound!

Alf