Dream Trombones?

ZiggyAzalea · Post by **ZiggyAzalea** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:55 pm

If you had an unlimited budget, what 1 trombone would you buy?

All bets are off, whether it's a vintage jazz horn or a top of the line concert trombone, if you could have any one tenor or bass, which would you choose?

hyperbolica · Post by **hyperbolica** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:59 pm

I would probably get a Rath R3 with the nickel bell, a Rotax valve and the straight neckpipe. Although it would probably still just be a nice runner up to the '68 Elkhart 88h I already have.

Post by **Bonearzt** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:05 pm

My SCHWING horns would be a Thein Universal bass and F Contra!!

sterb225 · Post by **sterb225** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:08 pm

I think a Thein Universal tenor or Inderbinen Quart.

mrdeacon · Post by **mrdeacon** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:35 pm

My achievable dream is having a nice Holton 169 or early TR185. I still miss the early TR185 I had!

If I dream big... I'd love to have M&W whip something up for me... either a Holton style single valve with a plugin valve or a setup similar to Minick.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · Post by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm

Glassl alto with sterling silver bell.

walldaja · Post by **walldaja** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:12 pm

My dream would be always moving to the next horn. I enjoy the hunt more than the kill. First stop, Rath.

imsevimse · Post by **imsevimse** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:32 pm

mrdeacon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:35 pm My achievable dream is having a nice Holton 169 or early TR185. I still miss the early TR185 I had!

Those were for a long time on my list too. I’m fortunate to have found two Holton TR185, both with a removable second valve ("birdsnest") and also one fantastic Holton 169.

I have most if the horns I want and new horns are not on my list, only vintage. In the future I might consider a Williams 6 if I could try the horn over here or if someone wanted to sell me a Wessex F-Contra for a fair price and arrange for me to try before I buy. Often I don't know until it happens. It might be someone offers to sell me their horn and then I know that's the horn I want.

/Tom

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:37 pm

Hmm. I'm on the lookout for a good Bach 12 or 16. Maybe a Laetzsch contra.

But otherwise, I really like the horns I have... or I wouldn't be playing them! That doesn't mean they'll be with me forever, but if I didn't enjoy playing them I would get something else. There's no reason to settle for less than stellar trombones, at their price point.

bimmerman · Post by **bimmerman** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:51 pm

For me, it was a Sterling Plus 16M and (after playing one) a 9. Then over time I found and bought them, and they're awesome, and now there isn't much need for me to keep looking for horns. I haven't played a money-no-object horn before though, and I'm not sure I really want to learn how mistaken I have been....

adryalm · Post by **adryalm** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 pm

Wouldn't it be awesome to own one of our hero's horns?

Maybe Frank Crisafulli's holton? Ralph Sauer's Conn?

Adam

Specialk3700 · Post by **Specialk3700** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:08 pm

Give me a M&W and I'll never look in the classifieds again

ExZacLee · Post by **ExZacLee** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:30 pm

I just want my .508 bore shires that I traded in back. Let it go because I needed something less beastly for a gig that ended up not being worth it. I contacted the new owner once about it, he's happy with the horn and won't let it go - I can't blame him, it's a great horn. Best salsa horn ever. The horn I traded it for is a great horn, the shires just fit me better.

I have a Williams 6 (a Bob) that I love, and hopefully I don't make the same mistake with this one. It's special.

Bach42t · Post by **Bach42t** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:52 pm

Brand new, perfect Conn 88HSGX, traditional wrap and rotor. An achievable dream.

Bloo · Post by **Bloo** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:56 pm

There are two that I want.

First one would be a King 3B, pre 1970. Full silver plate exterior, gold plate on the interior bell. .508 bore, with a traditional wrap F attachment. Mint condition.
It would be my ideal jazz horn. My school has one similar, and it's such a treat to play on.

My ideal tenor is a Conn 88hcl. Love the valve action. Want a heavy gold plate bell with some fancy engravings on it.

Ideal bass would be a 62hc, with an F/G/Eb valve config. Also with heavy gold plate and fancy engravings.

I'm a sucker for Conn horns.

heinzgries · Post by **heinzgries** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:02 am

a Thein Universal alto with red brass Kruspe bell

LIBrassCo · Post by **LIBrassCo** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:09 am

Solid gold 10 ft tall trombone statue that resembles the sword in the stone.

You said any budget right?

Finetales · Post by **Finetales** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 am

A contra.

But you said "tenor or bass", so I'd probably go with a custom Shires bass or an Arkbone.

harrisonreed · Post by **harrisonreed** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:54 am

Already have my ideal tenor trombone ... But a Shires alto that played like their TIS but with a much lighter slide would be nice. Maybe cut a bit shorter where both the bell and slide meet, so that I actually needed/could use the TIS ...

I played the yellow one at ATW, but it just made me sad, because I knew my struggle needed to continue on the alto that I already have.

8parktoollover · Post by **8parktoollover** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:29 am

King 3b silversonic

whitbey · Post by **whitbey** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm

HawaiiTromboneGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm Glassl alto with sterling silver bell.

Yes!

Tremozl · Post by **Tremozl** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:40 pm

I would have a custom or modified BBb Contrabass Trombone with F and Gb attachments, a mostly open wrap, and Hagmann valves.

Jnoxon · Post by **Jnoxon** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:08 pm

Williams from LA or Burbank. Models 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I own both LA and Burbank horns from Earl and they play like nothing else....

JohnL · Post by **JohnL** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:19 pm

Jnoxon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:08 pm Williams from LA or Burbank. Models 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I own both LA and Burbank horns from Earl and they play like nothing else....

I don't just want any Williams. I want Spike's horn.

Kevbach33 · Post by **Kevbach33** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:21 pm

I had always dreamed of owning a Shires bass for big band work. And now that there are more options available, I'm more curious than ever. It'd probably be specified like this, or something close:

B62LNYC slide. This is a longer slide, not lightweight. Nickel silver tubes and sleeves, yellow crook. May not be the right arranging of the L but the point is clear.
Independent rotary valves in F/G/Eb (when will they introduce dual bore valves for basses?)
BYC tuning slide, maybe even BYB
BI 2DM -- More compact taper, medium weight Deutsch rose brass with unsoldered bead. This is in between their yellow brass and gold brass (85/15). (If they don't offer this material for bells, why is it listed on the site under bells? Can someone clarify this?)

For small/medium bore, I'd go for a K&H Bart Van Lier .512 with F, and possibly go for the gold brass bell and lightweight slide. Large tenor TBD.

For classical, an F/CC/D bass (not contra) with similar specs to that Gronitz F bass at the Horn Guys, but with a longer slide (.562" bore) with a handle to play the Bartok Concerto, and shorter bell section.

And a Thein BBb contrabass trombone. Because why not?

sirisobhakya · Post by **sirisobhakya** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:17 pm

A Thein Star Valve or Universal. Or a Yamaha YBL-605 (the “German” bass of them).

But actually I would like some custom parts to modify my current bass more. Namely .547”-.563” dual bore slide, gold brass bell, and maybe all-nickel silver slide also.

Bach5G · Post by **Bach5G** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:38 pm

I’d like a Yam 612.

EOlson9 · Post by **EOlson9** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:58 pm

For a bass I'd like a Duo Gravis (not silversonic) from 1981 if possible (i can't find production years on it currently) modded by BAC with instrument innovations valves, converted to Bb/F/D open wrap, Williams style handgrip, with a carbon fiber slide.

For tenor, already have it (1981 King 3B+/f) but want to get a bit of work done on it...Williams style handgrip, instrument innovations rotor, open wrap and carbon fiber slide also from BAC.

EOlson9 · Post by **EOlson9** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:59 pm

Bach5G wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:38 pm I’d like a Yam 612.

Bass ybl-612? I had one!! First bass i owned. Sold it to upgrade to my 62h.

HawaiiTromboneGuy · Post by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:49 am

whitbey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm
HawaiiTromboneGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm Glassl alto with sterling silver bell.
Yes!

mrdeacon · Post by **mrdeacon** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:32 am

HawaiiTromboneGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm Glassl alto with sterling silver bell.

I thought by now you'd own everyone's dream horn! You've already got two Williams 10s for Christ's sake!

tctb · Post by **tctb** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:53 am

My choice would be a Rath. Go to the factory and experience having a trombone made up to your own specifications. Enjoy trying out all the possibilities before deciding on what you want . If you later want to change something you can!

bigbandbone · Post by **bigbandbone** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:35 am

HawaiiTromboneGuy · Post by **HawaiiTromboneGuy** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 am

mrdeacon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:32 am
HawaiiTromboneGuy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm Glassl alto with sterling silver bell.
I thought by now you'd own everyone's dream horn! You've already got two Williams 10s for Christ's sake!

Ha! I still need more horns!

Jimkinkella · Post by **Jimkinkella** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:12 pm

Surprised noone's put this out there yet - I'd go for Jeff Reynolds' Minick contra.
A Thein BVD contra would be ok as well...

For something that would actually get played, one of these days someone will build a .500 bore 7.75" nickle bell....

Fidbone · Post by **Fidbone** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:41 am

I already own my dream trombones!

whitbey · Post by **whitbey** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:26 pm

I would go with I also own my dream horn. Sterling silver Edwards. And when you go to dream trombones, my stable is a happy one. I do want to upgrade my alto someday. Sterling silver bell and a nickle doubore slide with a trill valve.

flotrb · Post by **flotrb** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:09 am

King 1490S 7B DuoGravis with Mt Vernon Bach 1½G mouthpiece

Post by **BGuttman** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:54 am

flotrb wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:09 am King 1490S 7B DuoGravis with Mt Vernon Bach 1½G mouthpiece

I have a 2107 7B from 1980 and a Mount Vernon 1 1/2 G mouthpiece. Not for sale, but if you are in southern New Hampshire and we can meet up you can try mine.

paulyg · Post by **paulyg** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:11 pm

My Schilke/Greenhoe tenor is the dream horn I never knew I wanted... it was always Conn style in my dreams!

I'm working closer to my dream bass. Hopefully an M & W, with a one-piece gold bell, yellow tuning slide, dependent valves, and a dual-bore yellow slide with a nickel crook- and of course my newly-refinished MV 1 1/2G, blowing through a sterling Bach 50 pipe.

Of course I need to finish my thesis, and get one of those fabled six-figure engineering jobs before I can drop ~$8K on another trombone. In the meantime, my Conn Frankenbass will do just fine!

afugate · Post by **afugate** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 am

I'd like an easy-to-play F-Contra that is as light as a feather but still projects like a laser cannon.

Oh, and some pixie dust! lol

-- Andy in OKC

FOSSIL · Post by **FOSSIL** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:09 pm

afugate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 am I'd like an easy-to-play F-Contra that is as light as a feather but still projects like a laser cannon.

Oh, and some pixie dust! lol

-- Andy in OKC

Have you not tried the Rath R90 ?????

Chris

afugate · Post by **afugate** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:08 pm

FOSSIL wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:09 pm
afugate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 am I'd like an easy-to-play F-Contra that is as light as a feather but still projects like a laser cannon.

Oh, and some pixie dust! lol

-- Andy in OKC
Have you not tried the Rath R90 ?????

Chris

No. Perhaps I should start saving my money? (And/or pixie dust?

)

I should note that I'm not a big guy. I'm still hoping for my growth spurt, but so far it's evaded me for 52+ years!

-- Andy in OKC

BflatBass · Post by **BflatBass** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:35 pm

A custom bass from BAC: .562 single bore nickle slide with the same width between the tubes as an Edwards B502, Independent Instrument Innovations valves, open valve wrap designed to my specs with a bore slightly larger than the slide (.578?), interchangeable leadpipes, sterling silver 9.5" bell with gold inner plating and some really cool custom ingraving. Also the bell brace would be positioned to allow me to wrap my thumb around it and the hand brace on the slide would be curved and ergonomically "correct".

Either that or a Butler C12 bass.

Robert

Tarkus697 · Post by **Tarkus697** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:47 am

This one:
https://www.dillonmusic.com/used-rath-r ... rmationtab

Aside from concert band/symphonic work, this would cover everything I need for my wedding/events band and funk gigs for the rest of my life. And it's convertible, should I not need the trigger.

*drool*

virtualhaggis · Post by **virtualhaggis** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:04 pm

My dream horn is one that makes me play jazz like Mark Nightingale and classical like Jorgen van Rijen.

I tried to get the first one - I have a Rath R10 with the Rath s11 MN mouthpiece but unfortunately it’s rubbish - I play nothing like Mark Nightingale

hulabone · Post by **hulabone** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:49 pm

1957 Bach 42 with a Shires True Bore valve.

dukesboneman · Post by **dukesboneman** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:49 am

I`m extremely happy with all my horns but.... if $$$$ is no option...
I`d love a Bach Lt8G

8parktoollover · Post by **8parktoollover** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:14 am

Large bore tenor and bass - Stomvi titan
Small bore tenor- King 3b silversonic

SwissTbone · Post by **SwissTbone** » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:44 am

8parktoollover wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:14 am Large bore tenor and bass - Stomvi titan
Small bore tenor- King 3b silversonic

Did you try one of the stomvis? How do they play for you?