A "Bolero" trombone with the sheet music engraved on the bell.

ttf_Euphanasia · Post by **ttf_Euphanasia** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:24 am

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BOLERO-SILVER-TROMBONE-WITH-BACH-HARD-CASE/311902367651

Looks to be an Olds Standard stencil in gold and silver plate. I would have bid, but the shipping cost was jacked up beyond belief.

ttf_MaestroHound · Post by **ttf_MaestroHound** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:58 pm

Oh wow that's the same as the one on Jay Friedman's site! I've never seen one besides there. I guess they weren't one off!

http://www.jayfriedman.net/photos/golden_oldies

He says it's Selmer Paris Bolero, but I am not so sure...

By the way the eBay link is giving me shipping quote within reason at $45.46 (I am on the east coast). Are you sure your location setting is not screwed up??

ttf_SBMaestro · Post by **ttf_SBMaestro** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:01 pm

I won that auction, by the way--and the trombone plays quite nicely, though the slide needs more work than I anticipated (though its not beyond hope). It has a 7" bell and a dual bore of about .490"/508". I assumed it was a Selmer (Paris) Bolero as well, though it looks nothing like the other Selmer Boleros I've seen:

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/instruments/Selmer/Selmer-Trombone-8046.jpg

Here's some other things that don't seem to add up--Selmer supposedly introduced the Bolero model in 1962 (according to their website), but has some rather "archaic" features:

- It's friction-fit with no connecting nut
- There is no slide lock
- There is no serial number ANYWHERE.

Euphanasia makes an interesting point that it does share some common characteristics with an Olds Standard--which makes sense since that model was in production at a time when their horns were friction-fit and had no slide locks, but Olds definitely had serial numbers since 1912. Also, I've never seen an Olds with an S-bend in the bell piping.

Perhaps JohnL might know something about this model? Was it a special production model made by Olds, or a prototype for a line that was never put into full production?

In the meantime, I'm going to ask Jay Friedman if he knows anything more about his "Bolero" trombone.

ttf_SBMaestro · Post by **ttf_SBMaestro** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:01 pm

I won that auction, by the way--and the trombone plays quite nicely, though the slide needs more work than I anticipated (though its not beyond hope). It has a 7" bell and a dual bore of about .490"/508". I assumed it was a Selmer (Paris) Bolero as well, though it looks nothing like the other Selmer Boleros I've seen:

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/instruments/Selmer/Selmer-Trombone-8046.jpg

Here's some other things that don't seem to add up--Selmer supposedly introduced the Bolero model in 1962 (according to their website), but has some rather "archaic" features:

- It's friction-fit with no connecting nut
- There is no slide lock
- There is no serial number ANYWHERE.

Euphanasia makes an interesting point that it does share some common characteristics with an Olds Standard--which makes sense since that model was in production at a time when their horns were friction-fit and had no slide locks, but Olds definitely had serial numbers since 1912. Also, I've never seen an Olds with an S-bend in the bell piping.

Perhaps JohnL might know something about this model? Was it a special production model made by Olds, or a prototype for a line that was never put into full production?

In the meantime, I'm going to ask Jay Friedman if he knows anything more about his "Bolero" trombone.