If you could have only 3 horns...

ttf_MonsterAar · Post by **ttf_MonsterAar** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:29 am

If you could have any 3 horns for free (not specific horns as in Alessi's actual edwards, i meen any setup) but after you got these three horns, you could never buy another horn again, or own any more horns at the same time, what three would you get?

Id get either a Rath R1 or a Rath R2 (i'd go to teh factory)
A shires .547 (factory)
and a shires bass (once agian pick at the factory)

GO!

ttf_lou2cv · Post by **ttf_lou2cv** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:39 am

HI !

For me, I think :
1/ An Amrein-schneider 9el Bb/F with brushed finish.
2/ A Kuhln & hoyer Bb/F trombone, bolero series if i'm not mistaken...
3/ An Inderbinen Bb trombone Ballet.

But my favourite must be the Amrein...with a red copper brushed finish bell

mmmmmmmh to much exciting !

But when you see they ask for 4800 euros + extras for a Bb/F trombone, hum

ttf_Nobody · Post by **ttf_Nobody** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:36 am

1) Yamaha 697Z. Or maybe a nice old Bach 12.
2) Yamaha Xeno 882GO
3) Yamaha 613H (or the Xeno bass when it comes out)

Hmm. Anybody else see a pattern?

ttf_Jeff Smith · Post by **ttf_Jeff Smith** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:41 am

1. Edwards Alto. Stats unknown yet.

2. Edwards T-302 with a dual bore .508/.525 custom slide. No nickel sleeves. Nickel neck pipe. Dual radius yellow tuning slide. 7.5" yellow un-soldered bell. T-1 sterling silver leadpipe.

3. Edwards T-350 with a couple of different slides and bells. .525/.547 dual bore, no nickel sleeves for orchestra. .547 bass crook for soloing. .547/.562, no nickel sleeves for a bigger sound. T-3 sterling silver leadpipe for orchestra. T-3 brass for soloing. Rose brass tuning slide. Various bells: Elkhart 88H bell, Mt Vernon 42G unlacquered bell, 42H bell for heavy stuff, King 5B bell for real heavy stuff, 8" Edwards yellow brass bell with unsoldered rim for a nice upper register, with the .525/.547 slide. 8.5" Edwards yellow brass unsoldered rim bell for every day usage.

I'm probably not following the rules, but that's my ideal set up.

ttf_Steve McGovern · Post by **ttf_Steve McGovern** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:01 am

If I were restricted to these horns for the rest of my life, I couldn't decide on specifics without much research and travel. The broad goals would be:

Alto trombone, maybe with Bb attachment. Primary role in trombone quartet; secondary role in symphony.

Tenor trombone with F-attachment. Maybe 547, maybe smaller. Optimized for brass quintet. Secondary role in symphony.

Euphonium, optimized for concert band.

Of course, making the above decsion assumes I will never develop a taste for jazz, and that is a door I don't want to close. But neither do I want to waste a choice on the outside chance it will happen. Oh, well.

ttf_Alex · Post by **ttf_Alex** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:02 am

Quote from: "tbonegeek07"
3. Edwards T-350 with a couple of different slides and bells. .525/.547 dual bore, no nickel sleeves for orchestra. .547 bass crook for soloing. .547/.562, no nickel sleeves for a bigger sound. T-3 sterling silver leadpipe for orchestra. T-3 brass for soloing. Rose brass tuning slide. Various bells: Elkhart 88H bell, Mt Vernon 42G unlacquered bell, 42H bell for heavy stuff, King 5B bell for real heavy stuff, 8" Edwards yellow brass bell with unsoldered rim for a nice upper register, with the .525/.547 slide. 8.5" Edwards yellow brass unsoldered rim bell for every day usage.

How many possible trombones is that ? It's more than 3 and that's not counting your other 2 selections.

As for me...I'd have the R9 I've already got, and possibly a couple of old classics. An old 62H and an old 50B would fit the bill.

ttf_GBassBone · Post by **ttf_GBassBone** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:23 am

Well, i Would get a trombone for ever use(for me)
Jazz= If they still made a Conn Constilation or one never used and is a good player...
Orchestra tenor =Edwards T350... slide=T-STD-AN...Bell=335CF w/satin finish ...Tuning Slide=Single Radius Rose Brass...Leadpipe=SterlingSilver T3
Bass(what i would play the most)=Edwards B454...Bell=1147CF with satin...Slide=B-DBN ...Leadpipe=Brass B3...Tuning Slide=Single Radious Rose Brass...Valves=Dual independent Thayer.

ttf_evan51 · Post by **ttf_evan51** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:24 am

Quote from: "MonsterAar"If you could have any 3 horns for free .....

Only three? Only three? I do have only three.

Ah---but cost being no object (and forgive me for not listing model numbers)---a .525 Rath (straight), a .547 Thein (w/rotor), and a .500 Shires.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:26 am

A Shires bass with dependent axials, a Haag 33 medium tenor, and a Yamaha 822 F tuba.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:36 am

Hi Luke,

I play the Edwards 302 for jazz and the Edwards T-350 for classic.
In a few month's I will visit Shires. So maybe my choice will change.
My mouthpieces are Thein 6.5 bore.
I don't play any bass-trombone.

Good luck.

Will

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:31 am

i have my 3 for the moment

conn 4h (lead)
conn 77h (whatever)
king 3b/3bF (two bells)

does having two bells count as cheating?

ttf_Tombonist · Post by **ttf_Tombonist** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:52 am

Edwards t350 (concert horn)
Bach 42 (marching)
and a euphonium (fun!)

I wouldn't get a Bach 42 if I didn't march, but I sure wouldn't want to march with an Edwards or Shires bass, which was my other choice. And I need a euphonium, just because it's cool to play on a different instrument once and a while.

ttf_Johnny_verhoeven · Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:00 am

Tenor : B&H Regent or studio
Bass : Bach B50 the one they made in 1985
Alto : Any one, I am so bad on Alto it does not matter.

ttf_Silver3B · Post by **ttf_Silver3B** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:00 am

Already gots them.....

My 2B SS.....my 3B SS
and my 4B/G with it's dual bore slide

love thems horns

If you could learn only one dance in your lifetime? Hot smoking Argentine Tango ......darn it cooks. yeah baby

ttf_Duffle · Post by **ttf_Duffle** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:21 am

Glassl Alto - Eb (Gold Brass) - maybe a Rath alto once it has been made.

A mint deadstock late '50's Conn 8H (I own and play a 1958 8H although mine has had a lot of playing)

Rath R4F (lightweight red brass bell (possibly unsoldered rim), bronze slides, yellow tuning slide, Hagmann valve & straight neckpipe, detachable counterweight, leadpipe ?)

If I can't include a type of trombone I already own then:

Glassl Alto - Eb (Gold Brass) - maybe a Rath alto once it has been made.

Kanstul 1508 - Lightweight red brass bell (unsoldered), yellow tuning slide, bronze slide, VE Leadpipe.

Rath R4F (lightweight red brass bell (possibly unsoldered rim), bronze slides, yellow tuning slide, Hagmann valve & straight neckpipe, detachable counterweight, leadpipe ?)

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:40 am

1) My current horn (Shires bass)

2) Haag 43 bass trombone

3) Schmelzer Model 5 bass trombone

ttf_Slipmo · Post by **ttf_Slipmo** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:37 pm

Williams 6, Elkhart Conn 88H, Bach Mt Vernon 42

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:30 pm

OMG.........Want........

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Piccola_e.html

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:32 pm

1)Rath R4f

2)Rath R9

3)Rath R90

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:51 pm

1) 60's mint king 3b
2) shires bass
3) a very complicated custom bach/shires/edwards/other stuff tenor

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:02 pm

Alto: Thein (or Edwards or if Shires ever made one....) Alto...although Khul and Hoyer (sp??) might be in there somewhere as well

Tenor: Shires .547 bore (with 2nd .547-.562 dual bore slide for low stuff)

Jazz: Shires (haven't tried setups): (Theoretically) Dual small bore .500-.508 or medium bore .525 with lightweight nickel silver slides and large shank receiver.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:30 pm

Can we include euphoniums and tubas as part of the 3?

I have had very little face time on trombones that I don't own. I have only played 2 other basses- 50B2L, and a holton 181 before (way before!) I started playing trombone. And I have only played a few tenors, and only one alto (Selman). ALSO, I have never played a contra or cimbasso, and there are some other tubas I would like to try.

So, basically, this is all in theory

-

1. heavy-sounding double valve bass, I am quite happy with my Getzen so let that be one of my choices, but with a useable thumb brace!!!
2. some sort of contra or cimbasso- Kantsul contra,...
3. large bass tuba- YFB822 (have played and really like it), MW2141 (not played but curious); or an all around C- MW2145..... I love bass tubas, but I sometimes feel that a 4/4 contrabass would be a better fit for me.

I think that I would be better on a cimbasso than a contra.
#2 might be a trigger tenor for when I get older and don't want to play a heavy bass all the time. I really like 42B's, but am also interested in smaller tenors. I would probably use the 42 as a small bass-type horn.

I would love a contra/cimbasso and would probably massively overuse it!!

Bob"dreaming of sitting in the back of a concert band or orchestra with a cimbasso"1062

ttf_Precious · Post by **ttf_Precious** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:09 pm

The Thein I'm holding in this pic:

This Olds Special:

And this Alto:

Two out of three ain't bad!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:51 pm

Can't do it. At least 4 horns are essential: Alto, orchestral tenor, bass, and jazz tenor. It's like asking which 3 wheels you'd like to have on your car.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:55 pm

i already got a:
1)Tenor: Edwards T350 with 8" and 8.5" yellow bell, rose brass tuning slide. - wanna get a straight neck-pipe.

i would love to buy the following:
2)Bass: Edwards B454(to replace my getzen 3062AFR) with 9.5" yellow and 10.5" rose brass bell, dual-bore all nickel slide, get the extra bass convertor and straight neckpipe.

3)either a Thein alto or a Thein Contrabass bone.

ttf_MonsterAar · Post by **ttf_MonsterAar** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:16 pm

Quote from: "Slush Pump"Can't do it. At least 4 horns are essential: Alto, orchestral tenor, bass, and jazz tenor. It's like asking which 3 wheels you'd like to have on your car.

Oh but you seee, that was the point. Four is just too easy. You have to make a choice!

ttf_Slidennis · Post by **ttf_Slidennis** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:20 am

Quote from: "Slush Pump"Can't do it. At least 4 horns are essential: Alto, orchestral tenor, bass, and jazz tenor. It's like asking which 3 wheels you'd like to have on your car.

No prob my dear!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:39 am

Hmmm, three horns.....

(Orchestral)-Shires tenor (with Trubore, dual bore slide, red brass bell and silver handgrip)

(Orchestral)-Thein Ben van Dijk bass with gold handgrip

(Big Band)-Yamaha 613H bass (Gb second valve) with sliver Bach 10 1/2 inch bell and delux engraving with my name on it (silver handgrip too)

-muzikman

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:06 am

Quote from: "Slipmo"Williams 6, Elkhart Conn 88H, Bach Mt Vernon 42

Can't argue with those choices!

ttf_BFW · Post by **ttf_BFW** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:19 am

If I pick three instruments, would opportunities to play them magically appear, too? Along with proficiency on all of them?

I have two instruments at the moment, and I only play one of them. Given the conditions above, I'd pick a modern bass trombone, an F bass sackbut, and a cornetto. Without the conditions above, I'd pick a good dependent bass trombone and two other horns to give away.

ttf_schiffko · Post by **ttf_schiffko** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:58 pm

1:bach mv 42
2:bach mv 34
3:an alto trombone from bach which is bigger and not so trumpety like the model 39!!!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:32 pm

Quote from: "Slidennis"Quote from: "Slush Pump"Can't do it. At least 4 horns are essential: Alto, orchestral tenor, bass, and jazz tenor. It's like asking which 3 wheels you'd like to have on your car.

No prob my dear!

Ha! Good answer.

ttf_Jox · Post by **ttf_Jox** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:43 pm

Getzen 3062 AFR????? (never played one but have my schols 1062)
Jupiter 4 valved sousaphone
Thein F Contrabass

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:55 pm

1.Shires bass with dual ind. thayers, red brass bell
2.Getzen 3062-red bell added
3.Thein contrabass in F.

ttf_MonsterAar · Post by **ttf_MonsterAar** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:33 pm

Quote from: "Jox"Getzen 3062 AFR????? (never played one but have my schols 1062)
Jupiter 4 valved sousaphone
Thein F Contrabass

if you could have ANY 3 horns, one of them would be a Jupiter?

ttf_Slidennis · Post by **ttf_Slidennis** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:45 am

1- Conn 88H with three different slides (SL 2525 ; SL 4747 ; SL 4782) ;
2- Rath R3 with three different bells (Rose brass straight, with valve, Nickel Silver) ;
3- My blue 3B for marching band....

ttf_Silver3B · Post by **ttf_Silver3B** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:38 am

Quote3- My blue 3B for marching band....

A blus 3B? This I have to see...Slidennis, please post a pic

ttf_Woolworth · Post by **ttf_Woolworth** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:45 am

3 horns?

Well, I have a Bach 36 that's perfect, so I guess two more just like it would be nice.

Seriously, I once had my hands on a late 1950's 3B Silversonic (missed it by that much!) that I wish I could've bought. And I do miss having a bass trombone around.

Quote from: "Silver3B"Quote3- My blue 3B for marching band....

A blus 3B? This I have to see...Slidennis, please post a pic

Check out his Avatar.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:41 am

Quote from: "Silver3B"Quote3- My blue 3B for marching band....

A blus 3B? This I have to see...Slidennis, please post a pic
i really hope youre kidding, man. i may have to question youre sanity.

QuoteJox wrote:
Getzen 3062 AFR????? (never played one but have my schols 1062)
Jupiter 4 valved sousaphone
Thein F Contrabass

if you could have ANY 3 horns, one of them would be a Jupiter? if you checked it, it was a jupiter sousaphone.

and THAT is where the problem lies. youd rather have a sousaphone than a true tuba, or even a marching one?

ttf_Jox · Post by **ttf_Jox** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:06 pm

Quote from: "phantom_boner"Quote from: "Silver3B"Quote3- My blue 3B for marching band....

A blus 3B? This I have to see...Slidennis, please post a pic
i really hope youre kidding, man. i may have to question youre sanity.

QuoteJox wrote:
Getzen 3062 AFR????? (never played one but have my schols 1062)
Jupiter 4 valved sousaphone
Thein F Contrabass

if you could have ANY 3 horns, one of them would be a Jupiter? if you checked it, it was a jupiter sousaphone.

and THAT is where the problem lies. youd rather have a sousaphone than a true tuba, or even a marching one?

Actually yes. I havent played much sousa phones but a good number of tubas. I was orignally a tuba player. Why a jupiter? Our school has two and to me (my opinion) I play the best tuba I can get sound. Its bore is like .736 which is bigger then a lot of other sousaphones. Plus I like the sound of the sousaphone. I mean I wouldnt play this thing seriously but maybe around tuba christmas or for outdoor quartets. It gets me this dark big sound but thats just me. I never have played a marching tuba or contra. Well the only complaints I have about the instrument is that the tubing where the valves come to my belly dig into my stomach and the bell should be placed higher, but thats about it. I know isn't it crazy someone likes a Jupiter instrument?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:13 pm

i'll take my 2 current edwards horns as my first two

1) T-350 tenor
2) B-454 bass

the tough part is deciding on the 3rd one. i play a large shank greg black mouthpiece with the throat and backbore carved out to be larger than normal, so i need something thats ready to take a lot of air.

i was thinking that the only thing i would like to add to my collection is an outstanding .547 bore straight tenor. any suggestions? who makes the best large bore trigger-less tenor?

i know edwards does, and it would be sweet to have my own all-edwards collection, but maybe theres a sweet thein out there or something?

ttf_VoodooChild42 · Post by **ttf_VoodooChild42** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:24 pm

custom tenor(either shires or Greenhoe)
old bach 12 or yamaha Z
In slide tuning rath bass trombone.

Right now i'm fine with what i've got.

ttf_Jeff Smith · Post by **ttf_Jeff Smith** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:12 pm

Conn 8H's are pretty nice, Frank.

ttf_Silver3B · Post by **ttf_Silver3B** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:24 pm

QuoteCheck out his Avatar.

Not the Avatar...that looks like a cartoon.....

Some actual pics with a little more detail.

ttf_Precious · Post by **ttf_Precious** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:16 pm

Quote from: "Silver3B"QuoteCheck out his Avatar.

Not the Avatar...that looks like a cartoon.....

Some actual pics with a little more detail.

Some people here really do use their albums. He has this pic of it in there:

That large enough for ya?

ttf_Elkhart 88H · Post by **ttf_Elkhart 88H** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:35 am

Only three horns? That's a tough challenge, but I'll give it a try.

Large-bore tenor: Greenhoe Conn 88H with slide tuning.

Medium-bore tenor: A great-playing Conn 78H or 82H from the Elkhart era. A Rath R3F with a straight gooseneck or a .525 Shires would be possible substitutes for the Conn.

Small tenor: A vintage pre-WW II Olds Standard with the .495/.510 dual bore, slide tuning and a 7" or 7-1/2" bell, reconditioned with plated inner slides and finished in satin silver with a gold wash on the inside of the bell flare. Possible substitutes would include the Rath R1 or one of the new Kanstul TIS horns (if Zig would build one close to the size I specified).

I could get by without a bass or an alto, so these three horns would be enough to keep me happy.

ttf_john sandhagen · Post by **ttf_john sandhagen** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:43 am

I have a swiss army trombone already...

Bach bass. It has a removable bell and I can put a King 1480 on. With a bass mouthpiece it plays like a small bass, with a tenor mouthpiece it works as a big tenor (not a 1st horn).

So by changing bells and mouthpiece I get 3 out of one.

So I need a Cimbasso/contrabass/narrow bore tuba set now

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:16 am

Shires small bore - or the 2B silver (just can't make up my mind)
Shires Bass - definitely
88HO - (although I have yet to try the Shires .547)

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:15 am

Quote from: "trombeanbloke"OMG.........Want........

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Piccola_e.html

Like the slide with 2 different outer sleeves, never seen that before!!!

ttf_BoomtownRath · Post by **ttf_BoomtownRath** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:32 am

Quote from: "Johnny_verhoeven"Tenor : B&H Regent.

Somewhat off topic here!!

Why would you want a student model? BTW the new 'Besson' line trombones are far superior to the old B&H. We've a couple of B&H 'soveriegn' (professional models) lying around our bandroom and can't shift them, even for free!!! Tuning is bad, build quality leaves alot to be desired. In a nutshell, pure sh**e!!

B&H euph's Exellent!
B&H Bb cornets Exellent!
B&H soprano cornets OK!
B&H flugals SO-SO!
B&H Eb horns Exellent!
B&H EEb & BBb basses SO-SO!
B&H trombones NOT-RATED!

That is in my experience the general consenus here in the british isles amongst brassband players. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong!!)

We only buy Yamaha 'maestro', Courtois or willson instruments and of course Rath Trombones.

(Sorry Johnny hope I didn't spoil your day

)