Your personal favourite out of these horns?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:53 pm

Bach A47I, Bach A47MLR, Edwards T396-A, Edwards T350-HB, AC420 and YSL-8820.

ttf_pedrombon · Post by **ttf_pedrombon** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:53 pm

Edwards T396-A

ttf_paulyg · Post by **ttf_paulyg** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:36 pm

When I tried the T396-A it struck me as the one instrument that might actually be able to do it all. Obviously it's built to fill the role of principal trombone in an orchestra, but it's so responsive and easy to play that it is far more versatile than that role would suggest. The price tag reflects that, however!

ttf_daveyboy37 · Post by **ttf_daveyboy37** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:35 pm

Not really a good comparison, IMHO. The Edwards T-350HB is a custom horn, and the A47I can be customized somewhat as well. I think the AC420 also has some options.

ttf_sterb225 · Post by **ttf_sterb225** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:19 pm

I am a convert to the T-396. It is remarkably even and easy to play, plus the fixed configuration locks you out of looking for hardware solutions to problems that you should really be looking inward to solve.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:32 pm

Quote from: daveyboy37 on Dec 27, 2017, 07:35PMNot really a good comparison, IMHO. The Edwards T-350HB is a custom horn, and the A47I can be customized somewhat as well. I think the AC420 also has some options.
If you could choose a setup that fits you.

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Post by **ttf_harrison.t.reed** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:04 am

T-396A

ttf_Driving Park · Post by **ttf_Driving Park** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:30 am

I'll be an outlier - I don't like the T-396A. I'd probably go with the Courtois if I had to pick. If the Yamaha was the 882 and not the 882O I'd go with that one without question.

ttf_NateR · Post by **ttf_NateR** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:45 am

T-396A. I feel like it gives me the best opportunity to make the sound that's in my head!

I love the way the Courtois horns play, but for me the sound can get "tinny". Thats probably just me though.

The Bachs are as good as any if you get a good one, but I don't like the modular setup. That got me into trouble with my Shires. I was always looking for a horn to fix what I should really have been practicing. See Quote:

Quote from: sterb225 on Dec 27, 2017, 09:19PMI am a convert to the T-396. It is remarkably even and easy to play, plus the fixed configuration locks you out of looking for hardware solutions to problems that you should really be looking inward to solve.

The Yamahas are a good blend of sound and response (I almost bought a Xeno a couple of years ago). The only thing that stopped me is that I think my sound is more interesting on the Edwards.

ttf_vegasbound · Post by **ttf_vegasbound** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:46 am

I would like to know why you are limiting yourself to these choices?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:06 am

Quote from: NateR on Yesterday at 07:45 AMT-396A. I feel like it gives me the best opportunity to make the sound that's in my head!

I love the way the Courtois horns play, but for me the sound can get "tinny". Thats probably just me though.

The Bachs are as good as any if you get a good one, but I don't like the modular setup. That got me into trouble with my Shires. I was always looking for a horn to fix what I should really have been practicing. See Quote:

The Yamahas are a good blend of sound and response (I almost bought a Xeno a couple of years ago). The only thing that stopped me is that I think my sound is more interesting on the Edwards.

Interesting cause i've heard people say T-396-A has a "tinny" sound and the only reason Joe doesn't have this "tinny" sound is because he uses Griego-Alessi 1C mouthpiece.

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:17 am

The 396 can have a big sound with a variety of mouthpieces. I played in a section with someone using a Wick 5AL and he sounded quite good on it. It isn't my cup of tea but if I ended up with one I wouldn't be disappointed either. On that list its probably my 2nd behind the T350HB. But I don't go for Bach style horns as much anymore. If the 882OR was on that list it would be my top choice. I wouldn't limit myself to just those options though.

ttf_watermailonman · Post by **ttf_watermailonman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:36 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Dec 27, 2017, 02:53PMBach A47I, Bach A47MLR, Edwards T396-A, Edwards T350-HB, AC420 and YSL-8820.

Those new horns are probably over my budget so I would not even consider them, but I do know I like my old Edwards T350 made in the 90'-ies and my Antoine Cortouis 420BO "Challanger I" from the beginning of this century. They are both great brands. I can understand you want the best and are prepared to pay to get that super horn. My advice is to try them all as well as other horns too, before you buy. I think I only payed 10% of the new price for those horns on your list I've got. A good deal because they probably look and play 98% as good as a new one.

If you want to spend a lot of money on a good trombone then I think you found the right ones to consider. Add a new Shires to the list and you got the herd.

I would consider buying used too. An Elkhart Conn 88h or a good Bach 42 could be a great option.

/Tom

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:58 am

Quote from: watermailonman on Yesterday at 10:36 AMThose new horns are probably over my budget so I would not even consider them, but I do know I like my old Edwards T350 made in the 90'-ies and my Antoine Cortouis 420BO "Challanger I" from the beginning of this century. They are both great brands. I can understand you want the best and are prepared to pay to get that super horn. My advice is to try them all as well as other horns too, before you buy. I think I only payed 10% of the new price for those horns on your list I've got. A good deal because they probably look and play 98% as good as a new one.

If you want to spend a lot of money on a good trombone then I think you found the right ones to consider. Add a new Shires to the list and you got the herd.

I would consider buying used too. An Elkhart Conn 88h or a good Bach 42 could be a great option.

/Tom

The thing is that i got around 6000$ from a scholarship and all the money that i don't spend i have to return back so i'm looking for a really expensive horn on purpose.

ttf_vegasbound · Post by **ttf_vegasbound** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:01 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Yesterday at 10:58 AMThe thing is that i got around 6000$ from a scholarship and all the money that i don't spend i have to return back so i'm looking for a really expensive horn on purpose.

Wouldn't it be better to find the best horn for you??

ttf_MrPillow · Post by **ttf_MrPillow** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:04 am

Does the scholarship specifically say that all the money has to be spent on one trombone?

ttf_jimkinkella · Post by **ttf_jimkinkella** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:22 am

Quote from: vegasbound on Yesterday at 11:01 AM
Wouldn't it be better to find the best horn for you??

Seems like a good idea.

I have a couple of Courtois, and definitely prefer them to the Bachs, don't know the Edwards that well.
If I had to spend some money I'd also be checking out Rath, Thein, Shires, and M&W.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:26 am

Quote from: vegasbound on Yesterday at 11:01 AM
Wouldn't it be better to find the best horn for you??

Where i live there is not really a place to try out trombones.The only way i can try them is if any fellow trombonists around here have them or my father's colleagues and students.So i've tried one T396A(wasn't blown away but will try it again), a Rath(didn't like it) and a Shires that my father plays that i like but what's the point of buying another one when i can just take his and give him whatever i get if i don't like it.Also i played on Matt Vaughns (philadelphia orchestra) horn for 3 weeks it's a T350HB with a Bach 42 corporation bell i liked that more than the T396A.
I've heard good things about courtois and A LOT of big name trombonists play it.
I haven't seen a lot of ppl talkink about the A47 Infinity Bach that's why i put it there.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:27 am

Quote from: MrPillow on Yesterday at 11:04 AMDoes the scholarship specifically say that all the money has to be spent on one trombone?
Well i asked for one.

ttf_watermailonman · Post by **ttf_watermailonman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:30 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Yesterday at 10:58 AMThe thing is that i got around 6000$ from a scholarship and all the money that i don't spend i have to return back so i'm looking for a really expensive horn on purpose.

I see

You could buy a contrabass trombone or at least a bass trombone. That would be the most expensive trombone. Could you buy a tuba? It is a very specific and unusual problem you've got. Lucky you

/Tom

ttf_MrPillow · Post by **ttf_MrPillow** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:43 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Yesterday at 11:27 AMWell i asked for one.

Perhaps you can explain the situation a little better. Are you getting $6000 to do with as you please, or is someone spending up to $6000 on a trombone for you?

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:48 am

If it were me with that kind of budget, I would go out and find a decent Corporation 42 and get it refurbished by one of our great techs here on the forum, including a new aftermarket valve. You could probably do a 42 and 50 with that kind of budget. If you liked Matt Vaughn's horn, decent chance you'll like a Bach with a new Thayer valve.

But if you want new, make the investment and go to a place where you can try anything you want. You can go to Dillons while you're on break, or wait until March and try everything available at the American Trombone Workshop in DC. Is there a time limit you have access to the funds?

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:49 am

What is the setup on your father's horn? If you like a Shires, there isn't really much that plays like them otherwise. There are some really fine playing horns that aren't Shires, obviously, but if you like them nothing beats it! I'm in that camp for sure.

If I were being essentially given a horn, I'd buy a flight out to Boston if you can get there. Its probably not as expensive as you think, although i'm not familiar with eastern european fares.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:50 am

Quote from: MrPillow on Yesterday at 11:43 AMPerhaps you can explain the situation a little better. Are you getting $6000 to do with as you please, or is someone spending up to $6000 on a trombone for you?
Someone spending up to $6000 on a trombone for me.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:55 am

Quote from: Matt K on Yesterday at 11:49 AMWhat is the setup on your father's horn? If you like a Shires, there isn't really much that plays like them otherwise. There are some really fine playing horns that aren't Shires, obviously, but if you like them nothing beats it! I'm in that camp for sure.

If I were being essentially given a horn, I'd buy a flight out to Boston if you can get there. Its probably not as expensive as you think, although i'm not familiar with eastern european fares.
I could buy another horn for how much i would spend on that also i have to spend the money until January 12th.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:59 am

If you are looking to major in classical tenor, look at an alto in addition to a tenor.

If you really want to spend it all, look at an Egger Sackbut. Problem is there are a lot less places to play it than a regular trombone.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:01 pm

Quote from: CSO on Yesterday at 11:48 AMIf it were me with that kind of budget, I would go out and find a decent Corporation 42 and get it refurbished by one of our great techs here on the forum, including a new aftermarket valve. You could probably do a 42 and 50 with that kind of budget. If you liked Matt Vaughn's horn, decent chance you'll like a Bach with a new Thayer valve.

But if you want new, make the investment and go to a place where you can try anything you want. You can go to Dillons while you're on break, or wait until March and try everything available at the American Trombone Workshop in DC. Is there a time limit you have access to the funds?
I have to spend it until January 12th and i can't go to the US that easily, i could maybe go to for example Musikhaus Thomann in Germany.

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:07 pm

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Yesterday at 12:01 PMI have to spend it until January 12th and i can't go to the US that easily, i could maybe go to for example Musikhaus Thomann in Germany.

holy cow, apparently I need to make a trip to Germany

Do you think you can go? It looks like they have a number of horns, including several of the botique hohrns, though I don't know what they carry in stock. I'd definitely contact theem and see if I could make it up there.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:10 pm

I's sorry, I thought you were in the US. But I still suggest going to a place where you can try as many as you can. Thomann is the first place I think of. Plus, with makers like Rath, they have so many different options I'm sure something you like can be put together.

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:43 pm

Buy the most expensive horn you can and sell it. Then buy what horn fits you best.

ttf_trombonemetal · Post by **ttf_trombonemetal** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:53 pm

Im waiting for someone to suggest Benge.

ttf_watermailonman · Post by **ttf_watermailonman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:05 pm

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Yesterday at 12:01 PMI have to spend it until January 12th and i can't go to the US that easily, i could maybe go to for example Musikhaus Thomann in Germany.

Buy from Thomann. Shipping will be free if you spend that kind of money which means you can spend all the money on the horn, and you can return the trombone later and switch to another if you are not satisfied. They have lots of brands to choose from. I have bought a couple of new horns from them. They pack safe and ship fast within EU and run a serious business. Too bad you have not the possibility to try so you at least have a clue what you like. Personally I would go for a A. Cortouis before a Bach. I did play one new Bach with the "infinity" Thayer and one of the new Cortouis with Hagmann valve this summer at a summers camp. Both these horns were better than my Kanstul 1570. The best horn was the new Cortouis.

/Tom

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:01 pm

Quote from: trombonemetal on Yesterday at 12:53 PMIm waiting for someone to suggest Benge.

Not expensive and also not made any more.

Benge made some really nice instruments but they didn't catch on.

ttf_trombonemetal · Post by **ttf_trombonemetal** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:10 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Yesterday at 03:01 PMNot expensive and also not made any more.

Benge made some really nice instruments but they didn't catch on.

I know. It just seems like someone always discourages students from buying high end horns and benge always comes up. My sarcasm didnt come through...

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:47 pm

Quote from: trombonemetal on Yesterday at 03:10 PMI know. It just seems like someone always discourages students from buying high end horns and benge always comes up. My sarcasm didnt come through...

It's usually me that recommends Benge. Good horns for a budget. The OP is not on a budget -- he's got enough money to buy the best. No need to compromise.

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:55 pm

Just go (fly?) to a shop that has tons of horns and play them all. Shires, Rath, Yammies, the new Greenhoes - the sky is the limit! If you are busy, you could send me to do the homework for you! I will gladly fly coach down to SoCal to visit the Horn Guys!

ttf_Duffle · Post by **ttf_Duffle** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:29 pm

fly to Huddersfield and let Mick sort you out. ......

ttf_vegasbound · Post by **ttf_vegasbound** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:46 am

Quote from: Duffle on Yesterday at 10:29 PMfly to Huddersfield and let Mick sort you out. ......

You beat me too the suggestion!

ttf_Le.Tromboniste · Post by **ttf_Le.Tromboniste** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:48 pm

Any reason why you specify the Courtois 420? Did you try the 440? I find it a much more interesting and subtle instrument, personally.

Also if you have that kind of budget why not a boutique horn from a German workshop?

ttf_timbone · Post by **ttf_timbone** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:13 am

Guys- One thing to note- when trying horns it my be necessary to try a couple of different moutpieces to take it to the next level. I see far too many people that think a lead pipe change will make a difference and they try every horn (even ones with fixed lead pipes) with "their" mouthpiece, so don't discount that. In theory and reality, a fixed lead pipe will transmit energy more efficiently than a removeable, so keep that in mind nd be open minded!

cheers!

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:26 am

Previous comment was too late to the party. OP, what did you end up getting??

ttf_Dukesboneman · Post by **ttf_Dukesboneman** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 pm

I have never played any of these but I have a plain old time tested Bach 42BO that plays great and works for me.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:41 am

Quote from: harrison.t.reed on Jan 16, 2018, 11:26AMPrevious comment was too late to the party. OP, what did you end up getting??
T396A

ttf_adam wealer · Post by **ttf_adam wealer** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:03 am

Quote from: Matt K on Dec 28, 2017, 12:07PM
holy cow, apparently I need to make a trip to Germany

Do you think you can go? It looks like they have a number of horns, including several of the botique hohrns, though I don't know what they carry in stock. I'd definitely contact theem and see if I could make it up there.

Another excellent reseller ist Musik Bertram in Freiburg...
http://musik-bertram.com/?load=sortiment

They sell even Schilkes, Shires, Greenhoe

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Post by **ttf_harrison.t.reed** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:03 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Jan 27, 2018, 08:41AMT396A

Do you like it?

ttf_harrison.t.reed · Post by **ttf_harrison.t.reed** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:03 am

Quote from: Stefanbencic on Jan 27, 2018, 08:41AMT396A

Do you like it?