Slide vibrato technique - wobble?

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:38 am

I know that now is not a faulty slide it is certainly me.

I get a wobble/rocking the horn when trying to play a slide vibrato, especially on close to the face position (especially 1 and 2, 3 is almost ok.

Any suggestions?

ttf_watermailonman · Post by **ttf_watermailonman** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:05 am

Quote from: bonenick on Dec 22, 2017, 12:38AMI know that now is not a faulty slide it is certainly me.

I get a wobble/rocking the horn when trying to play a slide vibrato, especially on close to the face position (especially 1 and 2, 3 is almost ok.

Any suggestions?

This is just a wild guess, but if your slide is not the problem it must be you and a couple of things that can mess with a slide vibrato is either how you grip and hold your slide and/or how you balance your horn. You need gentle grip on the slide and all support to hold the horn must come from the left hand. It could be you rest your left hand when you play the inner positions so that some of the weight falls on the right hand. This will mess upp your slide vibrato completely on those positions.

/Tom

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:06 am

Thanks Tom. I think I already overcome stuff right hand grip on the slide, so I will try with a firmer left hand grip on the horn.

ttf_timothy42b · Post by **ttf_timothy42b** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:19 am

When I see video of slide vibrato, it looks like they have the palm down and wrist pretty still, even if they're more wristy at other times.

Here's Bob Havens from Lawrence Welk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNLamzHT34

There's not a wide vibrato there but you can see how he does it.

And here's Wycliffe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4i1KcqWikY

No slide vibrato there but you can see his hand position and it's nice playing.

ttf_trombonemetal · Post by **ttf_trombonemetal** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:55 am

Yeah check your left hand.

ttf_oslide · Post by **ttf_oslide** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:21 am

This is what Jiggs Whigham posted on Youtube.

8. Slide Vibrato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI1hHRhV0-Q

and also at 1:40 of this video on lip vibrato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAZpiMmQ7E

ttf_svenlarsson · Post by **ttf_svenlarsson** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:34 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI1hHRhV0-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-nbf-hyJos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c0lG9gnmvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQc-cbAvdQ
no picture in the last one, but this is how it could sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrcFISRiZM

ttf_watermailonman · Post by **ttf_watermailonman** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:15 am

Quote from: svenlarsson on Dec 22, 2017, 06:34AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI1hHRhV0-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-nbf-hyJos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c0lG9gnmvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQc-cbAvdQ
no picture in the last one, but this is how it could sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVrcFISRiZM

I listened to all videos and they were sounding very different. The same things were said but it came out very differently when they played. I don't think they go as much above pitch as they go below though. Not how it looks and not as it sounds. Jarvis playing did come out as the best sounding vibrato of those excerpts but as David Vinding said different music needs different vibrato, both speed and amplitude. All were good examples on how to do it.

Tommy Dorsey was the first to make it his signum but I think Jack Jenney is a better one to make that characteristic warm vibrato sound on the trombone in the early days, at least the few Jenney recordings I've heard is much more interesting to listen to. Unfortunately Jenney had a very short career. He died young. Google him - his playing in the beginning of "I walk alone" for example. I think his way of handeling the vibrato and the melodies is much more interesting than how Tommy Dorsey choose to do it and they were at the same time basicly but Tommy become the better known and had a longer more successful career.

Google Si Zentener for a successful wide slide vibrato.

/Tom

ttf_svenlarsson · Post by **ttf_svenlarsson** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:35 am

Yes Tomas slide vibrato can really sound different, it is therefor a splendid way to express your self. There are many trombone players who used slide vibrato to let the listener know who is playing. Jack Jenny was a really beautiful ballad player. Tommy was an very good trombone player who could play rather technically. He made the vibrato very much like a cello I think. Buddy Morrow was another one. Murray McEachern another boneplayer who could use slide vibrato. (He was also a very good altosax player, and even tenorsax) A good clip is Fascination if you can find it. I know Tomas can) It used to be a film with Tommy Dorsey at Youtube, I could not find it now, but Tommy is the most famous for slide vibrato I though the sound clip is better the nothing. When trying to learn the vrist/slide vibrato it good to see how it is done.
There is another kind slidevibrato with a rather stiff vrist and moving the arm vigorously, that sound is rather different though.

ttf_ENelson · Post by **ttf_ENelson** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:39 am

Lloyd Ulyate on vibrato. Very low audio, so you may need headphones. Be sure to listen to the end when he plays!

https://youtu.be/6uYzDL8huhY?t=25m

ttf_svenlarsson · Post by **ttf_svenlarsson** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:02 am

Quote from: ENelson on Dec 23, 2017, 12:39AMLloyd Ulyate on vibrato. Very low audio, so you may need headphones. Be sure to listen to the end when he plays!

https://youtu.be/6uYzDL8huhY?t=25m

Yes beautiful playing! Start at 30:00

ttf_baileyman · Post by **ttf_baileyman** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:30 pm

So many types of slide vibrato!

Dorsey-rapid short
Zenter-fast and wide
Watrous-accelerating
Urbie-slow, fast, overlaying jaw at different tempo, what the?
Nash-or was that Urbie?
classical guy-stiff weerooweeroo Bolero, ick

sabutin can tell you about wrist orientation to help loosen things up.
Fontana would say it's hard to personalize it.

It is worthwhile practicing everyone else's vibrato. Long tone time is perfect for that. It seems what you're saying though is that you have a stiffness in your wobble that depends on how far out the slide is. That could be an elbow thing or a wrist thing. You may find sabutin's wrist facing you orientation helps. Or something else. Try lots of stuff.

ttf_baileyman · Post by **ttf_baileyman** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:30 pm

So many types of slide vibrato!

Dorsey-rapid short
Zenter-fast and wide
Watrous-accelerating
Urbie-slow, fast, overlaying jaw at different tempo, what the?
Nash-or was that Urbie?
classical guy-stiff weerooweeroo Bolero, ick

sabutin can tell you about wrist orientation to help loosen things up.
Fontana would say it's hard to personalize it.

It is worthwhile practicing everyone else's vibrato. Long tone time is perfect for that. It seems what you're saying though is that you have a stiffness in your wobble that depends on how far out the slide is. That could be an elbow thing or a wrist thing. You may find sabutin's wrist facing you orientation helps. Or something else. Try lots of stuff.