Having read the TubeNet site for a while now-
Wouldn't it just save a lot of time for every beginning low brass player ( tuba or trombone ) just begin on F tuba, and have all low brass players just play F tuba?
Double valve tenor
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ttf_bonesmarsh
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ttf_hyperbolica
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Quote from: bonesmarsh on Dec 07, 2017, 07:49AMHaving read the TubeNet site for a while now-
Wouldn't it just save a lot of time for every beginning low brass player ( tuba or trombone ) just begin on F tuba, and have all low brass players just play F tuba?
Yeah. Even a 4v compensating euphonium gives easier access to the same range as a double plug bone and a tenor put together (although it costs twice as much). And according to my wife, sounds even better ;o)
Wouldn't it just save a lot of time for every beginning low brass player ( tuba or trombone ) just begin on F tuba, and have all low brass players just play F tuba?
Yeah. Even a 4v compensating euphonium gives easier access to the same range as a double plug bone and a tenor put together (although it costs twice as much). And according to my wife, sounds even better ;o)
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ttf_JohnL
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Quote from: hyperbolica on Dec 07, 2017, 08:15AMAnd according to my wife, sounds even better ;o)It's the horn or her, friend.
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ttf_BGuttman
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Quote from: bonesmarsh on Dec 07, 2017, 07:49AMHaving read the TubeNet site for a while now-
Wouldn't it just save a lot of time for every beginning low brass player ( tuba or trombone ) just begin on F tuba, and have all low brass players just play F tuba?
With 4, 5, or 6 valves?
Back in the Bad Old Days all tuba players started on Eb tuba because it was smaller and easier for young players to blow. And a 4 valve Compensating Eb can cover the range really well.
Wouldn't it just save a lot of time for every beginning low brass player ( tuba or trombone ) just begin on F tuba, and have all low brass players just play F tuba?
With 4, 5, or 6 valves?
Back in the Bad Old Days all tuba players started on Eb tuba because it was smaller and easier for young players to blow. And a 4 valve Compensating Eb can cover the range really well.
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ttf_brucolli
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Mick Rath made a 2 valve R4F for. Actually, it is the double bell trombone in my avatar.
When I don't need the second bell I can put in a D slide and have a Bb-F-D tenor.
I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is because I was mainly after a good, full range double bell instrument.
I use it quite a lot. I wouldn't use it for 1st trombone in an orchestra but for a smallish bass, it's great.
I personally think the Rath build (Hagmann valves, no bracing in the tuning slide area) keep the weight light enough to make it work. It still sounds like a tenor.
When I don't need the second bell I can put in a D slide and have a Bb-F-D tenor.
I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is because I was mainly after a good, full range double bell instrument.
I use it quite a lot. I wouldn't use it for 1st trombone in an orchestra but for a smallish bass, it's great.
I personally think the Rath build (Hagmann valves, no bracing in the tuning slide area) keep the weight light enough to make it work. It still sounds like a tenor.
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ttf_Whitbey
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Quote from: harrison.t.reed on Dec 06, 2017, 07:02AMI don't get the idea of a trill valve (A/Ab). It sort of kills what makes trills sound unique on a trombone. The F attachment by itself makes almost any mid range trill and higher possible, and also keeps the unique sound of a lip trill intact.
The Kissbone did solve the low C/B problem by adding a quick slide into the return crook on the F attachment. Kind of like a Bartok valve, you can throw it out for Bs and Cs, and quickly close it to be back in normal tuning.
To clarify. If I did a 547 double valve I would do and F and an A trill.
For my jazz small bore I did a first valve or Ab. Maybe think just one valve of a superbone. Makes the licks go easy. And having done it I see the benefit of a trill and the Ab more then using the same thing you would for a bass bone.
An example of a quick F scale with the Ab valve. F in 1st, G in V2nd, A in 2nd, Bb in V3, C in 3, D in V2, E in 2 and F in short V2. then back down. All sounds smooth and easy. For me it is easy. I play great solos and make the rest of the trombone section say let me try that.
A photo of the Ab.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1izx3nh_iQyQjhsQ2pLMU9rd1k/view?usp=sharing
The Kissbone did solve the low C/B problem by adding a quick slide into the return crook on the F attachment. Kind of like a Bartok valve, you can throw it out for Bs and Cs, and quickly close it to be back in normal tuning.
To clarify. If I did a 547 double valve I would do and F and an A trill.
For my jazz small bore I did a first valve or Ab. Maybe think just one valve of a superbone. Makes the licks go easy. And having done it I see the benefit of a trill and the Ab more then using the same thing you would for a bass bone.
An example of a quick F scale with the Ab valve. F in 1st, G in V2nd, A in 2nd, Bb in V3, C in 3, D in V2, E in 2 and F in short V2. then back down. All sounds smooth and easy. For me it is easy. I play great solos and make the rest of the trombone section say let me try that.
A photo of the Ab.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1izx3nh_iQyQjhsQ2pLMU9rd1k/view?usp=sharing
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ttf_bonenick
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I just like instruments with lots of devices to pull, push, rotate and so on.... 
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ttf_bonenick
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I just like instruments with lots of devices to pull, push, rotate and so on....