Apres Une Lecture de Goldoni

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:34 pm

Hi everyone,
Just looking over the solo test pieces for the 2018 Australian National Band Championships.
For the Open Bass Trombone piece, it is Apres Une Lecture de Goldoni, written by Alain Margoni.
Youtube is letting me down by not having a recording of the piece, so I was wondering if anyone here has played this piece and could offer some insight to its technicality and style. Please also advise it's range if possible.
I've found the sheet music available on eBay, and that offers a snapshot of the first page of accompaniment, so I get to see the first 7-8 bars!
Thanks in advance.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:20 pm

No one has laid eyes on this piece?

Might just have to bite the bullet and order it in.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:59 am

I'd bet it's brand new. Brass Bands often commission new orks for contest prizes. Part of the challenge is to figure out the piece for yourself.

Good luck and let us know how well you did.

ttf_cozzagiorgi · Post by **ttf_cozzagiorgi** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:27 am

Yeah it's brand new... from 1964

ttf_Catastrophone · Post by **ttf_Catastrophone** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:30 am

I've played it. As I remember there's nothing particularly high in it but there are some large jumps in both directions. Breath control is also a challenge as there are some very long phrases. I'll have a look for it later and see if I can fill in a few more details.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:18 pm

Quote from: Catastrophone on Sep 22, 2017, 04:30AMI've played it. As I remember there's nothing particularly high in it but there are some large jumps in both directions. Breath control is also a challenge as there are some very long phrases. I'll have a look for it later and see if I can fill in a few more details.

Thanks Mate, that is most appreciated!

ttf_Catastrophone · Post by **ttf_Catastrophone** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:50 am

Just dug it out

At the top it says Fantasy in the style of the 18th century. As youd expect it is a very melodic piece. Range is pedal G# to high F#. As I remembered there are some massive jumps at fairly high speed. The main feature of the piece is a jump of a 12th up or down at the beginning of a phrase. Lots of speeding up and slowing down and short cadenza-ish sections too.

The main challenges are breath control in some super long phrases, accuracy in those large jumps, intonation, and dynamic range.

I hope that is of some help.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:35 pm

Thank you very much Cat, most appreciated.
Sounds like it's going to be a challenge, I certainly don't class myself as an accomplished player, but it will be worth a look at least.
Thanks again.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:21 pm

It's amazing what you can find using google image search!
Here's the first page of the piece.
Cat, are you able to advise how much more there is to the piece? Pages wise I mean.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:26 pm

Two pages in total.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Thanks Jeff, most appreciated.

ttf_Catastrophone · Post by **ttf_Catastrophone** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:01 am

Im not sure posting copyrighted sheet music is inside the forum rules......

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:09 am

Quote from: Catastrophone on Yesterday at 08:01 AMIm not sure posting copyrighted sheet music is inside the forum rules......

It's part of the work and for illustration.

Had he posted the whole work for free, that's a copyright violation.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:19 pm

Quote from: Catastrophone on Yesterday at 08:01 AMIm not sure posting copyrighted sheet music is inside the forum rules......

Does copyright exist, when it's freely available on Google images?
I'm not trying to start any trouble here, I'm just curious to know how the law sits with that.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:39 pm

I don't know the status of its copyright in Australia; it varies from country to country. In the US, basically anything published after 1923 has a perpetual copyright (courtesy of the Walt Disney Company, who want to keep Mickey Mouse under copyright, and he was first thought up in 1923). It is possible that the piece is not under copyright at all. If it is under copyright then Google Images is in violation if the whole work is on Google Images (we only saw one of two pages).

ttf_fsung · Post by **ttf_fsung** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:56 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Yesterday at 11:09 AMIt's part of the work and for illustration.

Had he posted the whole work for free, that's a copyright violation.

Come on, Bruce. That scan doesn't meet ANY of the tests to qualify as fair use, and you know it.

As a mod, if you want to give it a pass, that's your privilege, but don't throw out some completely BS "logic" to salve you conscience.

Quote from: Zandit75 on Yesterday at 04:19 PMDoes copyright exist, when it's freely available on Google images?
I'm not trying to start any trouble here, I'm just curious to know how the law sits with that.

The copyright exists and continues to remain in force until it expires (life of composer + 50 or 70 years, depending on country), or until the copyright holder explicitly places it in the public domain.

Some copyright holders grant publishers and/or vendors permission to post excerpts of their work in order to encourage sales, but the permission does not affect the validity or enforceablility of the copyright. The fact that you can VIEW an image the excerpt on a publisher or vendor's website does NOT grant you permission to reproduce (copy) or republish (post) the image elsewhere.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Thanks for all the comments guys, most appreciated.
Only the first page was shown on google images, and more than likely, it was only there to help sell the item on some website.
I'll edit the post to remove the image, just to cover all bases.

Edit:
Ahh, there seems to be a time limit before editing is blocked.
Can one of the mods please assist with removing the image?
Thanks in advance.

ttf_Zandit75 · Post by **ttf_Zandit75** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Thanks for all the comments guys, most appreciated.
Only the first page was shown on google images, and more than likely, it was only there to help sell the item on some website.
I'll edit the post to remove the image, just to cover all bases.

Edit:
Ahh, there seems to be a time limit before editing is blocked.
Can one of the mods please assist with removing the image?
Thanks in advance.