King 3B+ with F trigger

ttf_Geordie · Post by **ttf_Geordie** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:57 am

Started looking for one of these in July. I've now got a 3B+ with trigger (thanks Tom!!) and am impressed with the versatility of it - seems like a good fit for third seat in a big band and playing in wind bands/brass bands.

There seems to be very few of them around, while there seems to be lots of 3Bs with trigger for sale but not 3B+s. Were there not many 3B+ made and even fewer with a trigger or do people not want to sell them?

ttf_chromebone · Post by **ttf_chromebone** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:39 am

Conn Selmer will make a 3b+ with an f attachment, but as a custom order. I remember a student trying to get one, and it was going to be at least a 9 month wait. One would think that the larger bore instrument would be the one offered with an F attachment, but this is Conn Selmer we're dealing with, which is more interested in marketing crappy student horns made in China and pushing them out the door, than offering options for advanced an professional players.

ttf_Geordie · Post by **ttf_Geordie** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:23 am

That's interesting about the made to order. Mine is from the 1970s I believe. Wondering now if they were stock items then.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:43 am

When they were first introduced the 3B+ came plain and with an F attachment. I tried an Anniversary Silver Sonic version of the 3B+-F and thought it was nice but I already had a nice Medium Bore and didn't have the cash sitting around to buy it. It was withdrawn for a time and when they reintroduced it they didn't provide the F-attachment as a normal stock item.

There are definitely less of these around than 3B-F.

ttf_Full Pedal Trombonist · Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:07 pm

What's different between the bells of a 3BF and a 3B+F? Just the slide/bell tenon? Or is it more complicated than that?

ttf_Geordie · Post by **ttf_Geordie** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 pm

Based on my limited experience I think it's simpler as the bells and bore are the same. The only difference I can tell is that the one has an F trigger and one does not. Many more experienced folk on here than me, so this might not be the complete answer.

ttf_gregs70 · Post by **ttf_gregs70** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:17 pm

Quote from: Geordie on Sep 05, 2017, 12:50PMBased on my limited experience I think it's simpler as the bells and bore are the same. The only difference I can tell is that the one has an F trigger and one does not. Many more experienced folk on here than me, so this might not be the complete answer.

Nope. 3BF has .508 bore and 3B+F has .525, both have F attachments. 3B and 3B+ are straight horns, same difference in bore sizes. The "+" means plus size bore instead of the standard bore, I would think.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:14 pm

King's 3B is a .508" bore horn. There is a 4B which is a .547" bore horn. The new horn was in between the 3B and 4B and they didn't want to call it a 3 1/2 B. Its 21xx number was 2125 (although now its model in s 3BPLUS.

If yours is from the late 1970s, it's probably one of the first.

ttf_Full Pedal Trombonist · Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:26 pm

What I'm getting at is if the tenons are the same ( I know they're different with the 2B and 2B+ ) then you can get a 3BF and a 3B+ and have many options swapping bells and slides.

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:05 pm

Tenons are different...

ttf_Geordie · Post by **ttf_Geordie** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:03 am

Gregs70 is right. I misread the earlier question.

Mine is 2125 designation.

ttf_Geordie · Post by **ttf_Geordie** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:03 am

Gregs70 is right. I misread the earlier question.

Mine is 2125 designation.