Sierman STB-981CPD

[LoganPlays]

Any info on this brand or this specific model horn? Thanks!

Sierman STB-981CPD

[Posaunus]

Sierman - relatively obscure in the US.A. Appears to be a Chinese product, probably fairly high quality, since it is recommended and sold by Thomann (Germany). New U.S. distributor in Florida, and a few retailers. Not what I'd personally recommend for a college-level trombone performance minor (just because it's an unknown quantity; I know nothing about Sierman!).

Have a discussion with Matt Stoecker (owner of Mighty Quinn) when you're in Washington - he's a professional trombonist and a good resource.

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[LoganPlays]

Sierman - relatively obscure in the US.A. Appears to be a Chinese product, probably fairly high quality, since it is recommended and sold by Thomann (Germany). New U.S. distributor in Florida, and a few retailers. Not what I'd personally recommend for a college-level trombone performance minor (just because it's an unknown quantity; I know nothing about Sierman!).

Have a discussion with Matt Stoecker (owner of Mighty Quinn) when you're in Washington - he's a professional trombonist and a good resource.

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Thank you for the info! Will definitely get in contact with him about that. It’s a pretty horn and caught my eye. Haha!

[UATrombone]

Just curious, is it REAL Hagmann valve or just Chinese copy?

[hornbuilder]

Sierman have a history of questionable ethics, re blatant stealing of other makers designs. Including patented technologies.

[Burgerbob]

They copy some very well known horns, at a weirdly high quality point, including using the real valves (Rotax, hagmann, etc).

[UATrombone]

Sierman have a history of questionable ethics, re blatant stealing of other makers designs. Including patented technologies.

That's why I asked.
Is he the guy, who has tried to buy complete line of GB mouthpieces some time ago to reproduce them under own name?

[UATrombone]

They copy some very well known horns, at a weirdly high quality point, including using the real valves (Rotax, hagmann, etc).

This is very interesting... Does anyone know, how many valves Mr. Hagmann COULD make per year given his regular customers (Bach, Rath and others)?

[hornbuilder]

Yes. Copied the shape, interior and exterior, and even used the same numbering system. Blatantly ripped several ideas from Edwards and Shires, too.

[hornbuilder]

They also ripped Newell Sheridan Get a Grip, too.

Edwards bracing system, conveniently not being shown terribly clearly.

[RJMason]

Tried one in NYC. Played surprisingly well, looked very cool. X wrap with Hagmann. Still for sale, I think folx are afraid to take the leap. Good option for a high school student with dreams of going to college for trombone without breaking the bank. Imagine the resale wouldn’t be so good though…

[Tooloud]

I own a Sierman tenor with a Thayer-copy valve for some years.
Heavy, but solidly built. Bad laquer und nickel-coating on the outside, but the mechanics are fine. The sound is very good, very close to an Edwards. I play-tested both back to back. Since I am mainly a bass-player I did not want to shell out four times the amount for the Edwards considering the minimum differences in sound, I don't use the tenor often enough to justify this.

[Matt K]

Tried one in NYC. Played surprisingly well, looked very cool. X wrap with Hagmann. Still for sale, I think folx are afraid to take the leap. Good option for a high school student with dreams of going to college for trombone without breaking the bank. Imagine the resale wouldn’t be so good though…

I'd feel icky even trying one. I've been two two conventions where they had a booth and haven't even been tempted by it. I don't think most players are as tuned in as we are here though, could be wrong given your observation

[timbone]

To answer UA trombone- Rene
Hagman is up there in age and is making short runs in relatively low volume. So, I can't imagine the Chinese getting any when the European faithful are not.

[UATrombone]

To answer UA trombone- Rene
Hagman is up there in age and is making short runs in relatively low volume. So, I can't imagine the Chinese getting any when the European faithful are not.

Thank you for clarification.
That's what I thought when I've asked my rather rhetorical question with a grain of sarcasm.

[ZacharyThornton]

The only business that I know enough about to never want to give them any money. Incredibly shady all around.