How much could I sell this Greenhoe F-valve section for?

[tbdana]

I'm considering buying a Greenhoe Bach 50BG that comes with two valve sections: A single Greenhoe F-valve section and a double independent Greenhoe F/Gb valve section. He'll sell it to me with one or both of the valve sections. I don't need the single F-valve section.

So my question is, if I buy it with both valve sections (which is more expensive), how much can I realistically sell that Greenhoe F-valve section for?

I've done a couple searches and I cannot find one for sale, and the only one that was sold doesn't list the price. What wisdom do you have for me?

[meine]

Hello,

I sold a single Greenhoe valve section some years ago for about a 1,900€ if I remember right. Sold quite fast.

[elmsandr]

I always kinda peg used sales to a percentage of new replacement costs. Here, the option would be for a similar enhanced rotor from say Shires or Edwards. For a Greenhoe, you might be able to get to close to 100% replacement cost. I wouldn’t go that high, but some might. I’d max it out near 75-80% for my estimate, but YMMV.

Cheers,
Andy

[GabrielRice]

Not the question you're asking, but I think you might be surprised by how much you enjoy playing the single valve version.

[Matt K]

I agree with Gabe, to whom I am eternally grateful for selling me one of his single valves that I love, love, love!

That said, the Greenhoe stuff has a serious fanbase. You may be able to fetch like Andy mentioned, close to 100% if not 100% of what a new one "would" cost, which could be upwards of $2k. I've also seen single valve sections go for much less even recently (I sold one albeit without the threads for like ~$650 a few months ago)

[tbonesullivan]

Greenhoe valve sections are highly desirable, especially from the pre schilke days, as I don't know if they even make separate valve sections now that are available to the public. They don't make single valve I would also say definitely try it out before you sell it, as it's unlikely you will ever see one again.

For price, I could see $1500-2000 just for that. There are people who might want to use it just to build a new single valve bass trombone around.

[Dennis]

Slightly O/T, but Shires no longer makes single-valve bass sections. They still make the straight bass neckpipe, though. So go figure...

[tbonesullivan]

Slightly O/T, but Shires no longer makes single-valve bass sections. They still make the straight bass neckpipe, though. So go figure...

That's kinda interesting. I guess they aren't that hard to make, so there's not much reason to discontinue them. As others like Burgerbob have noted, if you only have one bass, it really should have two valves. Most people who are going to get a Shires, Edwards, etc are going to be looking for a double valve bass.

To get back on topic, for comparison's sake, a single valve section for a bass trombone from M&W starts at $2990, while a double valve section starts at $4,275.

From shires, I think a single valve section with standard rotor is about $2100.

[Dennis]

As others like Burgerbob have noted, if you only have one bass, it really should have two valves. Most people who are going to get a Shires, Edwards, etc are going to be looking for a double valve bass.

To get back on topic, for comparison's sake, a single valve section for a bass trombone from M&W starts at $2990, while a double valve section starts at $4,275.

From shires, I think a single valve section with standard rotor is about $2100.
[/quote]

I completely agree: in today's world, if I can only have one bass it has to have two valves. Too much of the playing I do is in brass bands and I have to be able to get a solid B1 ( 8vb) on demand. Worse, my Shires bass doesn't really have an E-pull. Even if it did, I'm not sure the slide is long enough to get down to B1.

I'd like to have a single valve section for it, but that is obviously a "wanna have" thing rather than a "gotta have" thing.

[JKBone85]

Slightly O/T, but Shires no longer makes single-valve bass sections. They still make the straight bass neckpipe, though. So go figure...

We still make single valve bass sections.

[Dennis]

Slightly O/T, but Shires no longer makes single-valve bass sections. They still make the straight bass neckpipe, though. So go figure...

We still make single valve bass sections.

That's funny. When I inquired about it, I was told, "Nope."

[Matt K]

Pure speculation, but they may have been thinking that you were asking if they stocked them, which I would be surprised if they did. (Meaning that they made single valve sections around for example, to try, without a specific client to purchase them).

[JKBone85]

Pure speculation, but they may have been thinking that you were asking if they stocked them, which I would be surprised if they did. (Meaning that they made single valve sections around for example, to try, without a specific client to purchase them).

Correct. This applies to everything. Our instruments are bespoke. We do not stock beyond the showroom. Our production style has become more like Toyota, Just In Time manufacturing but with a warehouse for small parts and raw materials. As an example, if you order an Alessi model, the production orders for all the parts for that instrument are added to the queue. The production of the handslide, tuning slide, bell, valve section and leadpipes are all then scheduled to be completed on or around the same day. I could not go into the finaling department and put together a Rejano horn right now because we don't have one scheduled to be out this week, and I do not have the components for it.

We do make single valve basses. We do not have any on hand.

[tbonesullivan]

I completely agree: in today's world, if I can only have one bass it has to have two valves. Too much of the playing I do is in brass bands and I have to be able to get a solid B1 ( 8vb) on demand. Worse, my Shires bass doesn't really have an E-pull. Even if it did, I'm not sure the slide is long enough to get down to B1.

I'd like to have a single valve section for it, but that is obviously a "wanna have" thing rather than a "gotta have" thing.

My answer to the conundrum was pretty easy: I like Yamaha bass trombones, so I've got a YBL-822G now. I also know having owned a YBL-613H in the past, and from my YBL-612, that even just changing out the D crook for an Eb crook has a pretty substantial influence on feel, and on the 612 also reduces the weight significantly. One valve vs two is an even bigger change