Is Shires the Krispy Kreme of Trombone manufacturers?

[Aspenforest]

As the title says

[Burgerbob]

no

[officermayo]

The Tim Horton's, maybe.

[flyingcow]

They're based in Massachusetts. It's Dunks.

[JohnL]

Trying to see the parallel here.

[Aspenforest]

Trying to see the parallel here.

Let's for the sake of argument say that an FE Olds is similar to a Ford? Or mayhaps Olds:White Castle

[mcphatty00]

This would be tough for me. I have a Shires from 2003 and have never tried the Q's or artist models.

[harrisonreed]

Yes but Shires lets you "have it your way" (tm)

Although even bad combos are allowed, so maybe it's more like when McDonald's Japan allowed people to build their own burgers on the ordering screen, including a bun with 50 pieces of cheese and nothing else.

[Pezza]

Yes, they are both severely overrated & overpriced.

[AtomicClock]

The used market is full of excellent donuts from the 60s and 70s. I don't know why anyone would buy a brand-new one.

[AndrewMeronek]

What is Krispy Kreme?

[harrisonreed]

An inferior donut shop in the US

[Aspenforest]

I suppose this begs the question then. Is Conn-Selmer and Eastman similar to Nestle and or Inspire Brands LLC? How does this make everyone feel?

[dershem]

nah - they're not mass manufactured and bland.

[JKBone85]

An inferior donut shop in the US

Most certainly not inferior to Dunkin. Quite the opposite.

[Posaunus]

We had a Krispy Kreme interloper open near us (in southern California) a few years ago. After the first crazy few weeks, the excitement wore off. I tried a donut once - never returned. I guess it's an acquired taste - just not for me. The store is still limping along. No further expansion that I know of.

I have no idea what the comparison between Shires and overly sweet donuts is all about.

[elmsandr]

I suppose this begs the question then. Is Conn-Selmer and Eastman similar to Nestle and or Inspire Brands LLC? How does this make everyone feel?

Make a case for why you think these are interesting comparisons… otherwise you are just trolling.

Cheers,
Andy

[harrisonreed]

An inferior donut shop in the US

Most certainly not inferior to Dunkin. Quite the opposite.

I didn't say anything about Dunkin'. Krispy Kreme is full of chemicals and preservatives -- their donuts are gross. Krispy Kreme and Dunkin' shouldn't even register on the scale.

If comparing trombone shops to donut shops, I'd say Edwards at least is on par with LaMar's. The 396-A is like their old fashioned sour cream donut. The jury is out for me on Shires. Certainly not a Krispy Kreme equivalent, though -- that joint doesn't even know how to spell words, let alone make donuts.

[Finetales]

I think sandwich chains are a better comparison, there aren't enough national donut chains to really work.

Conn-Selmer - Subway
Getzen - Quiznos
Jupiter/XO - Arby's
Yamaha - Jimmy John's
Courtois - Jersey Mike's
Edwards - Firehouse Subs
Shires - Which Wich
M&W - Potbelly
Rath - Pret a Manger

(Also, Krispy Kreme original glazed donuts are great, fight me.)

[harrisonreed]

Edwards is Definitely Which Wich, only because Which Wich is so damn good! Shires can be Firehouse.

[harrisonreed]

(Also, Krispy Kreme original glazed donuts are great, fight me.)

They contain chemical ingredients that shouldn't be in food. Gauntlet cast!

[Finetales]

Edwards is Definitely Which Wich, only because Which Wich is so damn good! Shires can be Firehouse.

I love Which Wich, which is why I put Shires there because I like Shires better than Edwards.

They contain chemical ingredients that shouldn't be in food. Gauntlet cast!

Chemicals schmemicals, that thick glaze is so good! (But I also never get Krispy Kreme, because there are so many great local donut shops in LA that there's no reason to.)

[JohnL]

Please, don't just say "A is like B"; give some explanation.

Getzen - Quiznos

Quizno's is barely still in business. I hope that's not the case with Getzen.

[Aspenforest]

Please, don't just say "A is like B"; give some explanation.

Getzen - Quiznos

Quizno's is barely still in business. I hope that's not the case with Getzen.

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[bitbckt]

I once worked with a guy who would produce his own biodiesel. He would go around to local restaurants and beg/borrow/steal used fry oil. He came to have very strongly-held opinions about the quality of fry oils.

Anyhow, he went on a rant one day about the contents of Krispy Kreme fry oil that formed a core memory for me.

No thanks.

[hyperbolica]

I'm not sure the connections mean the same things to everyone. It might be more helpful if you were just direct about associations:

Conn-Selmer: Industry giant that is well past its prime, but still makes some stuff worth playing
Olds: defunct, but still a lot of horns in circulation. Generally undervalued instruments, some models were odd, some beautiful, and some were niche
Kanstul: defunct, brought forward traditions from other mfgrs, reputation variable, often tried to mimic the spirit of other classics, best known for marching brass
Getzen: Has overcome a bad reputation, and is probably the shining star of old American instrument manufacturers
Edwards: the oldest of the new school of American instrument manufacturers, a reputation for great but somewhat heavy instruments
Yamaha: A great reputation for consistency and loved by many, but some models have a tendency toward blandness
Shires/Eastman: A reputation as the "it" brand, but is probably overextended, quality is arguably slipping, and certain configurations can be less interesting than others
M&W: Small enough to make real custom horns, probably the most gorgeous horns made today
Rath/Packer: British, More niche than Shires, instruments have a higher baseline, but potentially headed in the same direction
Stevens: The rebirth of what made Shires great 3 decades ago
BAC: reworks a lot of vintage instruments, owns the Kanstul tooling, some imported stencils, a lot of cake decorating
Long Island Brass: All over the map, with a lot to prove, probably a better technician than designer
Jin Bao (representing Chinese stencils in general): Quality varies from very good to very bad, mostly copies of existing success stories, or niche vintage stuff that still has appeal
Instruments imported from India: Almost exclusively very bad instruments
Williams et al: fabled small volume manufacturer of legendary reputation
Minick: fabled technician who was mainly known for making alterations to existing instruments, although he also did build horns from the ground up with a combination of new and premade parts, and designed a couple models for Conn-Selmer

[Aspenforest]

I'm not sure the connections mean the same things to everyone. It might be more helpful if you were just direct about associations

But isn't it ever so much more fun to see where this yarn that's being spun goes?

[hyperbolica]

But isn't it ever so much more fun to see where this yarn that's being spun goes?

Not really. It's just going in random directions every time someone interprets Krispy Kreme - Is it just full of empty calories? Icky and too sweet? Unhealthy? Representative of everything that's wrong with old school America? An over-marketed sell-out? Something that's attractive in small portions? Depression era signage? Bad spelling? NASCAR sponsor?

[harrisonreed]

I get it

[JohnL]

I'm not sure the connections mean the same things to everyone. It might be more helpful if you were just direct about associations

But isn't it ever so much more fun to see where this yarn that's being spun goes?

If there was actually a yarn being spun, yes. Without explanations, it's little more than making a list of sandwich and/or donut/doughnut shops and a list of trombone makers and randomly pairing them up.

Unless, of course, the point is trying to guess why someone thinks A is like B.

Olds: defunct, but still a lot of horns in circulation. Generally undervalued instruments, some models were odd, some beautiful, and some were niche.

I'm having a hard time coming up with a good comparison to Olds. If we expand to fast food in general, there's Naugles; once a mainstay here in SoCal (much tastier than Taco Bell of that time), now gone but fondly remembered.

But to me, Naugles is more like Williams - particularly when you throw in that the brand was revived a few years back, but it's not quite the same - not bad, but just not the same.

[harrisonreed]

Olds is like "Big Boy", if you ignore that it still is in business sort of...

[Burgerbob]

Shires is Geely/Lotus (the carmaker).

[Aspenforest]

If there was actually a yarn being spun, yes. Without explanations, it's little more than making a list of sandwich and/or donut/doughnut shops and a list of trombone makers and randomly pairing them up.

Unless, of course, the point is trying to guess why someone thinks A is like B.

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[hyperbolica]

Shires is Geely/Lotus (the carmaker).

??? Exotic and a bit obscure? I'd say more like Tesla - ubiquitous and over rated.

[mcphatty00]

I will say that if anything, I'll be keeping Steve's original bells. Both of mine have a VERY high probability of being spun by Steve (Both are from right around 2003-06).

[JohnL]

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Ah, that makes things somewhat less unclear. Still don't know what the destination is, but the route seems to be a bit too circuitous for my taste. I think I'll get off the bus at the next stop.

[flyingcow]

Olds is like "Big Boy", if you ignore that it still is in business sort of...

Howard Johnson's

[Burgerbob]

Shires is Geely/Lotus (the carmaker).

??? Exotic and a bit obscure? I'd say more like Tesla - ubiquitous and over rated.

Used to make bespoke, great sports cars (with some problems). Got bought out by a Chinese giant and they are trying to expand in every market.

[tbdana]

Shires is Geely/Lotus (the carmaker).

??? Exotic and a bit obscure? I'd say more like Tesla - ubiquitous and over rated.

As one who drives a Tesla, I think they are severely underrated. As for Shires, I dunno.

[WGWTR180]

Is this thread clickbait?

[Aspenforest]

Comrades, I believe I have found the perfect correlation to loop everything together! This morning I was enjoying my morning cup of of coffee and watching the clouds pass. As they floated by I decided to put on a record and settled on a Kai Winding album I've been eyeing for quite some time. Lo and behold in the liner notes I find this sentence!

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[harrisonreed]

This thread is funny, don't let the flame die out

[Aspenforest]

Ah, that makes things somewhat less unclear. Still don't know what the destination is, but the route seems to be a bit too circuitous for my taste. I think I'll get off the bus at the next stop.

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[elmsandr]

Is this thread clickbait?

No, clickbait is something that should at least be interesting to learn the answer to. With no point, this is just trolling.

Cheers,
Andy

[Posaunus]

With no point, this is just trolling.

Or rolling. Downhill.

[tbdana]

Now I want a freakin' donut.

[ghmerrill]

They contain chemical ingredients that shouldn't be in food. Gauntlet cast!
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This thread is funny, don't let the flame die out.

Okay ...

Krispy Kreme is a cultural icon -- which isn't to say that they don't contain chemical ingredients that shouldn't be in food. Diversity and inclusiveness in food and culture (not to mention marketing) requires that we recognize them at least as a high-energy digestible (well, more or less) food-like product. What are you going to attack next? Chicken fried steak with cream gravy? This sort of thing strikes at the very heart of our heritage and culture: Krispy Kreme also sponsors a NASCAR racing team and the legendary Krispy Kreme Challenge where runners are challenged to consume a dozen glazed doughnuts half-way through the race. Try tossing your gauntlet down after you've done that! Not to mention Dolly Parton and the Krispy Kreme Dolly Dazzler Doughnut (which I just did).

https://www.al.com/life/2024/05/country ... -know.html

And you complain about CHEMICALS? I toss your frosting-coated gauntlet back in your face. Vive la Krispy Kreme!!

Disclosure: I don't actually eat them myself.

[tbdana]

Okay, I'll bite (so to speak). What chemicals?

[harrisonreed]

They contain chemical ingredients that shouldn't be in food. Gauntlet cast!
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This thread is funny, don't let the flame die out.

Okay ...

Krispy Kreme is ...

[Something something NASCAR]

And you complain about CHEMICALS? I toss your frosting-coated gauntlet back in your face. Vive la Krispy Kreme!!

Disclosure: I don't actually eat them myself.

Yeah I know, but none of that really matters once You've tried LaMar's. Seriously. It's kind of like once you've tried a classic King or a good Edwards. There's no going back!

Okay, I'll bite (so to speak). What chemicals?

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[OneTon]

That’s only what’s divulged. You forgot the secret ingredients.