New Horn Day - Thein Bass

[Arvopart17]

Played it for about 2 hours so far and couldn’t be happier. Did I really need this? No. Am I talented enough to warrant this? Absolutely not! Does it make me happy inside? You betcha!

Some people buy sports cars when they hit middle age at least I can play this year round in New England, you can’t say that for a convertible.

This plays so easily, I love Hagmann valves. The horn just feels alive in my hands.

[bitbckt]

Holy cow that wrap is cool!

[marccromme]

Congrats, tried them in Bremen a coupe of years ago and loved them. Happy playing!

[Digidog]

Very, very nice!!

Congrats to both a great looking horn, and the wise spending of your money.

I hope you get many, happy years of playing it, and much great music from it.

[KGbassbone]

Congrats!

Did you pick up at ATW?

What leadpipe did you end up going with?

[Arvopart17]

It’s a “used” instrument, but I’d be hard pressed to tell. It came with a NY L Z leadpipe. Thein pipes are confusing! The one I have appears to be a two-piece with a yellow brass top 2/3 and what looks like a nickel pipe attached for the last 1/3 of the length. For the life of me it looks like a normal NY leadpipe with an extension added onto it to make it a L (long). I would like to eventually try one of the U bass pipes, but for now I’m enjoying it as is.

[KGbassbone]

NY L Z is a great pipe, that’s the one I was in until just recently.

Most of the “branding” can be confusing because a lot of it is designed with a specific player in mind. That pipe was I believe one of Zach’s he helped develop.

[KGbassbone]

Also! I’d highly recommend two “no space” valve caps. Really changed the horn for me in a really great way.

[meine]

Nice horn! Couldn‘t take a better choice!

[walldaja]

Sweet!

[LeoInFL]

Beautiful bass! On my list (along with the BvD model) as a horn to try some day.

[greenbean]

Holy Toledo - what a horn!...

Congrats!

[dwn8ve]

Gorgeous instrument! Only tried Thein once in a noisy ITF hall. Would love to try one again in a quieter space.

[Wilco]

What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

[Arvopart17]

Hey! I’ve been using a Greg Black 1GS .312 #2. I’ll send you a PM.

[WGWTR180]

What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

[Wilco]

What mouthpiece are you playing with this leadpipe? I have a universal I on trail with the same leadpipe. I find the sound to spread and response suffering with amrican shank mpcs

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

[WGWTR180]

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

Unless I'm misunderstanding you why not try a Thein with the same rim size as your DE? Doug can probably advise you and make a shank for you for your DE piece if you like it so much.

[Wilco]

What mouthpiece(s) are you trying?

Thein BM. It s ok, but I need a larger rim. My Doug Elliott rim is 115

I had the Thein BM threaded so that the Elliott LB rims fit. Works very well!

[ZacharyThornton]

That looks like amazing work on the MP! Did Doug do it?

[Burgerbob]

Hmm... maybe I need to do this too.

[Wilco]

Thanks! Yes the execution of the work is very well done. It was done by Adams in The Netherlands.

[Wilco]

More detail

[Matthias]

What cups and shanks did you play from Doug and how did you find them compared to the thein BM?

I've often thought about having a Thein BM and a JK Klier Cieslik Special converted to fit the LB rims.

[WGWTR180]

Cool!!

[Wilco]

What cups and shanks did you play from Doug and how did you find them compared to the thein BM?

I've often thought about having a Thein BM and a JK Klier Cieslik Special converted to fit the LB rims.

For me it is not the cups as such that make a difference. I have the LB J and L cups. With the 10 shank. The Thein mouthpiece is longer and has a different taper in the shank (goes in further down the leadpipe). And that makes all the difference in response and resonance.

[Wilco]

Forgot to add that the design of the throat and backbore is different from typical American mouthpieces. The cups are relatively shallow, but they still feel wide open. Even to a point that they can seem unfocused/ hard to slot on American made trombones. Good to mention btw my Thein is quite German, it is like a BVD model but then dependent.

[Wilco]

And I had it done again

[harrisonreed]

Looks slick! That Thein BM looks pretty shallow for a bass piece.

[Wilco]

Yes… large throat and backbore on a 1,5G ish cup

[Matthias]

And I had it done again

I also have a few mouthpieces lying around that I might want to equip with a thread for Doug Elliott rims:

I asked Klier but unfortunately they don't cut any other threads.

Can you tell me if Adams has already saved Doug's thread so that it is enough to send a mouthpiece or do you always have to send a mouthpiece from Doug as well?

[BoomtownRath]

And I had it done again

I also have a few mouthpieces lying around that I might want to equip with a thread for Doug Elliott rims:

I asked Klier but unfortunately they don't cut any other threads.

Can you tell me if Adams has already saved Doug's thread so that it is enough to send a mouthpiece or do you always have to send a mouthpiece from Doug as well?

American threads are not difficult to cut on any lathe, the pitch is just calculated differently. I haven't measured my DE but I guess he uses UNF threads which has a 60 degree thread angle similar to metric threads, it's easily calculated using a vernier caliper and a set of thread pitch guages. If you send your rim and mpc to Adams they will caculate it accordingly. Not difficult for a half decent machinist to do.

[walldaja]

Beautiful horn enjoy. Much better move than the convertible.