Bach Omega 0.547” with F attachment

[Trhtrbn]

I just purchased a Bach Omega Trombone from eBay, with 139112 on the crossbar behind the f trigger. It also has B3131 on both slide crossbars. There are no more numbers I can find. I measured the mouthpiece receiver and it is 35/64” or 0.547”. It is for sure NOT0.525”. Conn/Selmers sight is vague after 1994, but it is definitely before 2004. Can some one help me with determining a model other than Omega?

[Mamaposaune]

Can you post a picture? There was a Bach Liberty that I believe would have been made around that time, maybe late 90's - early 2000's. I think they were sold through Music and Arts stores, and were .547 large bore. They looked like 42BO's, minus most of the nickle trim.
I came across a slightly used one for one of my students who was outgrowing his beginner horn, but the family was on a tight budget. It played well, imo, and seemed well made.

[Trhtrbn]

Here is a photo of the bell engraving and bone.

[Posaunus]

So you can use a large-shank mouthpiece in this trombone?

[Trhtrbn]

That is correct, I am getting a YAC-52L for tenor playing in concert band and a YAC-59L for bass bone playing in jazz band.

[Posaunus]

That is correct, I am getting a YAC-52L for tenor playing in concert band and a YAC-59L for bass bone playing in jazz band.

So if you're happy with these setups, stop obsessing and just play and enjoy your trombone!

[Trhtrbn]

Yeah, you’re right! I was just bummed after getting the tenor bone and it was not coming naturally like it did when I was younger. I could not get below the Eb fV/3-1/4 position below the staff and was very disappointed with myself. I have to realize I am 62, haven’t played a bass bone since about 2012, and I also now understand that I coasted on natural talent back in the day. No excuse, but I haven’t played in so long because when I got full upper dentures at that time and I actually thought it was all over. I plug along everyday, now.

[Trhtrbn]

That is correct, I am getting a YAC-52L for tenor playing in concert band and a YAC-59L for bass bone playing in jazz band.

So if you're happy with these setups, stop obsessing and just play and enjoy your trombone!

Yeah, you’re right! I was just bummed after getting the tenor bone and it was not coming naturally like it did when I was younger. I could not get below the Eb fV/3-1/4 position below the staff and was very disappointed with myself. I have to realize I am 62, haven’t played a bass bone since about 2012, or any instrument for that matter, and I also now understand that I coasted on natural talent back in the day. I am actually going to have to start over and put in real work. No excuse, but I haven’t played in so long because when I got full upper dentures, at that time, I actually thought it was all over. I plug along everyday, now.

[MrHCinDE]

I have to realize I am 62, haven’t played a bass bone since about 2012, and I also now understand that I coasted on natural talent back in the day.

Don’t sweat it, I picked up my bass bone today after only playing tenor for a few months and it felt like I’d never played the thing before. Take your time and enjoy the process!

[Trhtrbn]

I have to realize I am 62, haven’t played a bass bone since about 2012, and I also now understand that I coasted on natural talent back in the day.

Don’t sweat it, I picked up my bass bone today after only playing tenor for a few months and it felt like I’d never played the thing before. Take your time and enjoy the process!

I will, thx

[greenbean]

Those mouthpieces are pretty big. You might find yourself playing flat. If so, more middle-of-the-road mouthpieces would help.

[hornbuilder]

That is a design that was sold under the Benge brand.

Check the pull on your valve slide. You have it pulled out too far to be in tune.

[Mamaposaune]

Looks like a Benge190/f, at least the f-attachment wrap.
I can't keep up with the Bach intermediate horns. It seems they change them constantly, even while keeping the name the same. There must be dozens of variations since the Mercury model.

[BGuttman]

Actually, the wrap looks like the Benge 165 or Conn 52H. The Benge 190 had a single loop wrap.

[Trhtrbn]

Actually, the wrap looks like the Benge 165 or Conn 52H. The Benge 190 had a single loop wrap.

Then why is Bach Omega engraved on the bell? And why is it 0.547 not 0.525 like most intermediate Bachs?

[Posaunus]

Actually, the wrap looks like the Benge 165 or Conn 52H. The Benge 190 had a single loop wrap.

Then why is Bach Omega engraved on the bell? And why is it 0.547 not 0.525 like most intermediate Bachs?

Ask the marketing geniuses at Conn-Selmer.
You have a decent 0.547" bore F-attachment trombone, made in the good old U.S.A. it really doesn't matter what they engraved on the bell.
Tune it properly (especially the F-attachment slide), use a proper mouthpiece (probably a little smaller than a Yamaha 52), take good care of it, join an ensemble or two, and enjoy being a trombonist and making music.

[greenbean]

It was based on the Benge 165 which was a .547 horn. Good horn.

[Trhtrbn]

Thank you , I will enjoy it

[Trhtrbn]

Then why is Bach Omega engraved on the bell? And why is it 0.547 not 0.525 like most intermediate Bachs?

Ask the marketing geniuses at Conn-Selmer.
You have a decent 0.547" bore F-attachment trombone, made in the good old U.S.A. it really doesn't matter what they engraved on the bell.
Tune it properly (especially the F-attachment slide), use a proper mouthpiece (probably a little smaller than a Yamaha 52), take good care of it, join an ensemble or two, and enjoy being a trombonist and making music.

Sorry about the tuning slide. I was trying to play the BB natural with the fV. I take intonation very seriously. When I was a tuba player the directors often used me to tune the band.