Bach 36 Bell - Compatible Slide Options?

[LimpTrombone]

For context:
I’ve been looking for a medium bore quintet/ jazz lead horn with an F attachment to replace my raw brass, (.508 bore,) Yamaha 691 since I find myself wanting a valve rather often in a chamber music context, and my custom shires w/ Thayer takes far to much air for smaller ensembles and my current endurance capabilities. (Band director chops.)

A trumpet player in my quintet has a Bach 36 with a trash slide he’s willing to let go for cheap.

The question:

Does anyone have experience with what slides may be compatible with a Bach 36 bell? I could always and likely will pay to have the slide repaired but I like the idea of a dual bore frankenbone, or at least the option of a slightly tighter than .525 slide & leadpipe if I need to play lead for an extended period.

Thoughts? Wisdom? Rude remarks?

[Burgerbob]

Only a Bach 36 slide, realistically. Having a new one built with some parts of your old slide isn't the hardest thing in the world, though.

[Matt K]

I’ve been responding to your other thread off and on and forgot that you have the large shires. Another option is to get a 525 or 508/525 for your Shires. Maybe an 8” bell too if you want a little more pep. That would let you maybe keep the Yamaha as-is for lead and I think still fit in your budget if you’re looking for pre owned.

[MichaelMedrick]

I had a slide built by Eric Edwards that was .508-.525 using a King 3b lower tubes because other .508 tubes are too short. I liked it and used it for years. I eventually sold it because I never found a mouthpiece compatible to me and the horn.

Your quickest route to what you want might be to try to find a Yamaha 356. Those are .500-.525 are are greatly under-appreciated as in it should not cost an arm and a leg to find one. I have had several students plating 356s F attachments or 353s, the straight models for versatile playing. I had the same above mouthpiece problem with the 356 I had for a while.

Bon chance!!

[MrHCinDE]

I have a Bach Mercedes with 8” bell and as accurately S I can tell a .525” slide. I have been wondering recently if it would fit a 36. I’d say it’s about 50/50 chance and if I get a chance to try one I’ll pass the message on. The Mercedes seems to have some nice chromed out parts on the hand brace etc. and they go for pretty cheap. I was thinking of sinking a bit of cash into getting my slide tidied up a bit, I’m more likely to do that if I know it would fit a 36. Your post was a good reminder I planned to check this out.

[Burgerbob]

I have a Bach Mercedes with 8” bell and as accurately S I can tell a .525” slide. I have been wondering recently if it would fit a 36. I’d say it’s about 50/50 chance and if I get a chance to try one I’ll pass the message on. The Mercedes seems to have some nice chromed out parts on the hand brace etc. and they go for pretty cheap. I was thinking of sinking a bit of cash into getting my slide tidied up a bit, I’m more likely to do that if I know it would fit a 36. Your post was a good reminder I planned to check this out.

I'd be very surprised if it didn't fit. All Bach trombones 36 size and below fit the same connector.

[Matt K]

Interestingly, I have a Bach Liberty which is an 8” bell (also appears to be two piece, fwiw) but has a Bach 42 slide connector. I’m actually figuring out what I want to do to sell it so if someone wanted a Bach 42 compatible bell section for a medium bore… hit me up.

[MrHCinDE]

I don’t think I tried that Mercedes slide on my 42 bell section, must test that also just in case!

The tuning slide from the Mercedes is a perfect fit on my 42 btw., which I believe is also the same as a 36.

As an aside, originally I had in mind to get that (2-piece) Mercedes bell set up to use on my modular 42. Matt’s liberty bell section would be a nice alternative without having to let a tech loose on it.

[hyperbolica]

Your quickest route to what you want might be to try to find a Yamaha 356. Those are .500-.525 are are greatly under-appreciated as in it should not cost an arm and a leg to find one....

If you can get past the Bach 36 requirement, this is a great suggestion. I recently got a Yamaha 455 (nearly identical to the 356), and - I'm not typically a Yamaha fan - I love the thing. The 455 has no F attachment, but a 456 does. 500/525 bore, 8" bell. There are several on eBay direct from Japan right now. I'm kind of addicted to mine. I'd love to get the F attachment version.

Another option would be the Yamaha 350C - kind of an odd horn, but its similar to the 455, and fulfills the need for an F attachment, dual bore 8" bell. Interesting little horn. Mine is for sale. Just thought I'd mention that.

[Thrawn22]

I had the receiver on my 36G bell adjusted to take my Conn large bore slides.