buy a new mouthpiece

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:23 am

Hello everyone.
I am considering buying any of the following mouthpieces:
Schilke 51C4.51
Yamaha 52
Ian Bousfield S4.
I would like to know opinion of people who have tried them, differences, sensations.

Thanks and best regards

ttf_KingMan · Post by **ttf_KingMan** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:29 pm

since you're looking, add a Wedge 5GS to the list

ttf_Burgerbob · Post by **ttf_Burgerbob** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Those are some pretty different mouthpieces!

5 and 4 sized rims are pretty different.

I'm not sure I have ever seen a Yamaha 52 in the wild.

The Schilke 51 is a good bet, though.

ttf_bigbassbone1 · Post by **ttf_bigbassbone1** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:43 pm

Have you tried just a bach 4g or 5g? I cannot even count the number of players i know who have spent time and dollars on hoards of other mouthpieces and ended up back on a bach....

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:45 pm

Victor, we need to have a couple of answers to help you:

1. What mouthpiece are you playing now, and on what kind of trombone?
2. What isn't working with your current mouthpiece?

A Schilke 51 (any depth) or a Bach 5G is a good middle-of-the-road mouthpiece that will not be terribly expensive. To make a better recommendation we would have to see you play. Your teacher (you have one, don't you?) would be the best to do this evaluation.

ttf_victorm · Post by **ttf_victorm** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:42 pm

Hi, thanks for your answers. Actually my trombon is a bach 42 and the piezaboca a jk exclusive 5AL. It is a comfortable piece. Its 26mm of diameter I like but it is too deep and it gives a very dark collision to trombon.

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:08 pm

You could look at the Bousfield or a Peter Sullivan for signature mouthpieces. A Schilke 51 (no letter) might be a good choice.

Also look at a Denis Wick 5BL which has a flatter rim (you may like it or not -- I like them).

Note that these are a little smaller than 26 mm.

You might want to look at a Schilke 52, Bach 4G, or Wick 4BL which is a little bigger and closer to what Klier says their #5 rim is.

ttf_Posaunus · Post by **ttf_Posaunus** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:23 pm

Not surprising that you find the Josef Klier 5A too deep - the "A" cup is Klier's deepest, and also has a large bore diameter (7.20mm). Most of us play on a mouthpiece with a shallower cup (and often a smaller bore).

The Schilke 51 might be a good bet for you and your Bach 42. Its cup I.D is 25.83mm, with a "standard" "C" depth, and a 7.04mm bore. The Schilke 51C4 is similar diameter, with a slightly shallower cup and a flatter rim.

Or you could stay with Bach - 5G (25.50mm cup, 7.00mm bore) or 4G (25.75mm cup, 7.00mm bore). Bach 5G is a very popular size mouthpiece for a Bach 42 trombone.

ttf_vegasbound · Post by **ttf_vegasbound** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:49 am

Quote from: BGuttman on Mar 16, 2017, 04:08PMYou could look at the Bousfield or a Peter Sullivan for signature mouthpieces. A Schilke 51 (no letter) might be a good choice.

Also look at a Denis Wick 5BL which has a flatter rim (you may like it or not -- I like them).

Note that these are a little smaller than 26 mm.

You might want to look at a Schilke 52, Bach 4G, or Wick 4BL which is a little bigger and closer to what Klier says their #5 rim is.

Denis designed the 4BL when he switched to a Bach 42 !

ttf_Roscotrombone · Post by **ttf_Roscotrombone** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:27 am

With regards to the JK 5AL.....do they not do a B cup?

Problem solved if they do perhaps.

Ross

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:37 am

Quote from: Roscotrombone on Mar 17, 2017, 06:27AMWith regards to the JK 5AL.....do they not do a B cup?

Problem solved if they do perhaps.

Ross

There are actually B, C, D, E, and (I think) F cups. Getting shallower as you go up in letter size. I would suspect an A cup is more for a Euphonium where there is more resistance in the horn and a C might be a good general purpose trombone cup.

ttf_victorm · Post by **ttf_victorm** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:59 am

Hi
The problem with the B cups in jk is that the throat is 6.80mm. The trombone sounds small.
Mugs A 7.20mm.Tazas B 6,80mm.
There is no intermediate measurement of 7.00mm
Thank you

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:09 am

There are probably a few more factors than simply aperture size that affect how "large" the trombone sounds.

Note that Bach G mouthpieces (4G, 5G) are made with a G drill, which is 6.63 mm.

There is a "bored out" model, 4GM, 5GM that has a larger aperture of 7.13 mm.

Sometimes the shape of the transition into the throat can affect this. There is no common measurement for this feature; you will have to try a few brands to find if any is better (or not). Sometimes manufacturing tolerances can make this area a little different from piece to piece from the same maker.

Another factor is the backbore. A larger backbore can make the mouthpiece play like your JK 5AL while a tighter backbore can require less air. I forgot to check whether there are backbore variants when I visited the JK site. I know that on my bass trombone, my DE mouthpiece with his 9 backbore is an air hog and tends to play quite flat. I have a 7 backbore and it's much better (even the 8 backbore was a bit flat).

ttf_vegasbound · Post by **ttf_vegasbound** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:00 am

Have a Skype lesson with Doug Elliott best money you will spend and he will give best options across mouthpieces that will be most efficient for you!

ttf_Ellrod · Post by **ttf_Ellrod** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:37 am

I have a 51C4 for sale. Gold-plated rim. Nice.

ttf_Posaunus · Post by **ttf_Posaunus** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:44 pm

Quote from: BGuttman on Mar 17, 2017, 10:09AM
Note that Bach G mouthpieces (4G, 5G) are made with a G drill, which is 6.63 mm.

Not true Bruce - at least not now, if it ever was so. The current Bach catalog lists the same throat diameter for all these mouthpieces: 1¼G, 1½G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, and 6½A - as 0.276" (7.01mm). I have a sample of each of these (except the 1¼G), and ALL their throats easily (but tightly) accommodate a "J" drill (0.277" = 7.04mm). So Bach's specifications are essentially correct - all throats are larger than 6.63mm (which is the throat size of the ever-popular "Teutonic-sounding" 6½AL mouthpiece).

I don't think Bach's "G" designation has anything to do with mouthpiece throat diameter.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:42 am

of the 3 you mentioned, the Schilke 51c4 played very bright for me and I didn't care for the rim much. a Schilke 51 is an option, but I honestly think they are too deep - at least for me. I have a yamaha 52 that I don't use anymore - comfortable rim, not too deep. I just don't really like the sound I get from it - very steady and boring IMO. bach 5g might be too small for you due to the piece you have been playing on. I've been using a Greg black NY 5.5 for about 3 months and like it a lot - better than anything else I've tried. I am going to get a used 4.5g/5g to compare with it though. I also occasionally use a Doug Elliott Lt 102 G G8 for jazz/big band as the GB piece delivers a more orchestral sound for me. Rim size between the two feels very similar.

ttf_victorm · Post by **ttf_victorm** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:22 am

Hello
Well. I have decided to try the Ian Bousfiel S4.
Has anyone tried it ?.
Thank you

ttf_Burgerbob · Post by **ttf_Burgerbob** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:16 pm

I have one. If you want a brighter sound and a comfortable rim, it is a good choice.

ttf_victorm · Post by **ttf_victorm** » Tue May 02, 2017 9:21 am

Hello Ellrod.
Well if you would be interested.If you say price with shipping to Spain included?
Thank you

ttf_Ellrod · Post by **ttf_Ellrod** » Tue May 02, 2017 2:46 pm

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